Jehovah’s Witness found dead outside Kingdom Hall
As reported on KTVA, A missing Anchorage woman has been found dead of exposure.
On December 31, at about 1:30 p.m. Edgardo Rosario found his wife dead in the snow near the church she attended, The Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses, located at 2520 Wesleyan Drive.
There were no signs of foul play.
Edgardo Rosario had called police on Sunday, Dec. 27 to report his wife Robin Rosario missing.
She was last seen on the evening of Dec. 26 - Rosario believed his wife was in bed but later found pillows under blankets placed to make it appear she was there.
Police has said that Rosario left all her belongings at the house and may have been suicidal.
The Anchorage Police Department’s Auxiliary Search Team conducted a search of the area around their home on Wesleyan Drive, as well as wooded areas nearby, but were unable to locate Rosario.
The Medical Examiner’s office will conduct an autopsy to determine the cause of death; however, upon preliminary investigation, it appears as though she succumbed to exposure.
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My condolences to the bereaved and my heart goes out to this woman and her family.
I was a JW for 30 years and quit often I wanted to kill myself too, went to Drs and took antidepressants for 20 years, none of it worked. Finally I got out of the Watchtower cult and now I am better, threw away all my pills.
Make sense doesn’t it? If you take poison everyday you will get sick after while, so too if you poison your mind with all the JW $hit. I see myself as being fortunate but feel sorry for this woman for not being able to see her way out of this destructive mind control cult before it was too late. And yes I do realize JWism may have nothing do with this case, however I also know that it may well have a lot to do with it as many Jw go suicidal, much more so than the population generally. Studies have been done which give evidence to this conclusion. Don’t believe then google it.
alot of people that join jehovah’s witnesses do kill themselves please i was one and my family sister mom and before my mom died she said i am so sorry i pushed you into the religion.
I am so sorry to hear of this tragedy. I too was a JW and was freed from it 18 yrs ago. Unfortunately I taught my 4 children the religion and I am now paying the price, 2 of the 4 have returned to it and have put me out of thier lives and the lives of my 5 grandchildren. Daily I feel like taking my life now and I haven’t felt like this since I left the org. I miss my family so badly. It is impossible to morne the loss when I know they are alive. I am also so sorry I led them into such a cult.
I am a jehovah witnesses and I love it a true religion pleasing to god must have restriction I hate my dear sister allowed the devil to lead her here she is in jehovah memory I encourage any who have left jehovah to return to the greatest place on earth
Dear Stephanie,
I will pray for you. That is all I can do.
I am disfellowshipped and my only child is still a witness. He does not talk to me and I am depressed daily. I miss him so bad. I too have thought of killing myself. My Mother did. Seems like the only way this pain can end.
HELLO, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME WRITING TO ANYONE ON MY COMPUTER, I JUST WANT TO SAY TO ANY OF YOU THAT WANT’S TO LISTEN TO ME THAT I TRUELY BELIVE THAT THIS IS THE ONLY WAY , I HAVE BEEN THRU OVER 6 DIFFERENT RELIGIONS AND I CAN TRULY SAY THAT I DO BELIVE IN THE JW ..STOP!!! THINK!!!LISTEN!!JUST LOOK IN THE BIBLE ..YOU!!!KNOW THIS IS THE WAY OUR JEHOVAH’A GOD GAVE AS THE RIGHT INFO. DON’T BELIVE MAN BUT ONLY THE HOLY BIBLE!..THE DEVIL .sANAN TRICKS AS ALL..DON”T BE FOOLED … PLEASE LISTEN TO WHAT THE J.W HAVE TO TEACH THEY ARE RIGHT…..END THE END THAT IS WHAT MATTERS..I WANT TO SE YOU THERE ..JOYCE PLATT
I also am a JW and have been brought up as one. A privilege beyond compare. I had a bit of a wild side and went awol for a while there, but what the whole time, I was thinking about how I needed to return to my beliefs and live by them. I’ve started getting back to meetings now and I feel so much better, and have been able to give up smoking pot, just by me not wanting to damage my relationship with my Creator, Jehovah. Now do I sound like someone who has been part of a damaging cult? No I don’t think so. I have been saved from a life of striving to live up to what this world calls “successful”, when all it is, is a big corrupt system, with satan the devil as the Architect. See through the masterpiece of deception, this world system is. A beautiful piece there Joyce, if its your first post on the net…
Jason???? How many other Jason’s are there that were JW’s with pot problems… maybe a lot? I don’t know but I can’t believe what a coincidence it would be if this were you…
Kate, I don’t understand your reply at all sorry.. What were you trying to say?
It’s unfortunate that this woman was driven to end her pain in this way. The “religion” of Jehovah’s Witnesses lead many people to depression and mental illness. How could it not? Look at the doctrine honestly. They tell their members that we live in a world controlled by the devil and there are demons that will get them if they leave the special protection of their group. Open your eyes people, it’s a doomsday cult that destroys families. There is no devil, it’s called mythology. Do you believe in Shiva, a Hindu God? Do you believe in Zeus? Probably not, but why believe in the mythology of the Jewish people? What makes their creation story and mythology any more special than any of the other religions around the world who have had their own religions and beliefs that helped them attempt to understand the world they live. Religion is a link to the primitive past that our ancestors lived in, they didn’t have the knowledge to understand the world they lived so they created mythology in order to bring meaning to their lives. We have a lot more knowledge today yet many people cling to the superstitions and ignorant beliefs of our ancestors. Do you really think Jehovah the God of the Jews is going to destroy 99.9 percent of the population simply because they don’t want to be Jehovah’s Witnesses? Think people. It’s okay to have doubts about the instructions from the Governing Body. They really don’t know what they’re doing. Does this New Light about the 1914 generation make any sense to you? It shouldn’t, it’s a doomsday prophecy intended to keep you in fear of leaving the group. They have told you armageddon is near and you will be destroyed if your not in their group. Almost all cults say this. Cults require members to shun family members who leave the cult. This shows how powerful a cult can be, they have the influence to split up the sacred bond between parent and child. But of course the other cult members will become your new “family”. As long as you parrot back the teachings of the Governing Body and never use your brain or have your own opinion about the mythology of the Jewish people these other cult members will have “conditional” love for you. What kind of an organization would want it’s members uneducated? They don’t want intelligent members because they would quite easily see through the nonsense that’s being served up as “Truth”. If it’s the one true religion wouldn’t it stand up to a little scrutiny? What’s the real reason the Governing Body doesn’t want you to research the history of the organization? If your faith is so strong why do JW’s bury their heads in the sand when confronted with proof that their organization is a cult? Find out for yourself, don’t be a brain dead zombie who has lost the ability to think rationally and allows the Governing Body to think for them.
Jwfacts.com
Howcultswork.com
You fool “watchtowers witnesses”!
You truly truly are a total fool.
Please allow me to completely obliterate your ridiculously long ramble, by passing off just one of your sentences as total garbage.
quote “If your faith is so strong why do JW’s bury their heads in the sand when confronted with proof that their organization is a cult?”
oh this is too easy… one, we don’t bury our heads in the sand, and two, what proof, of our organization being a cult are you talking about?
We are happy to believe what we believe about this world system. We are not afraid of demons and the devil, and we are happy to adhere to local law, wherever we live and pay our taxes. What more can someone ask of any member of society?
Hi Jason. You say “We are happy to believe what we believe…” I think it would be more accurate to say “We are happy to believe what we are TOLD to believe”. Unquestioning obedience is one of the main requirements from the Governing Body. They don’t want their members thinking. They just want the members to accept whatever they’re told like mindless drones. Again I ask what kind of an organization would want to keep it’s members uneducated? You need to put some serious thought into that question.
I should let you know that I was born and raised in the “Truth”. So you will not be able to whitewash or deny the practices of the Watchtower Society to me. I’m still trapped within the organization. If I leave my own parents and family will treat me as if I’m dead. I didn’t chose to be in a cult, I was born into one. And now there is no honorable way to escape. My sister was disfellowshiped for fornication with her “worldly” boyfriend. Well guess what, she is now married to him. She is no longer a fornicator. She is not an evil person or celebrating any pagan holidays. In fact I believe she is a better person and less judgmental than most of the JW’s I know at the Kingdom Hall. But my parents haven’t talked to her for over five years because she no longer wants to be part of the doomsday cult they are in. When I saw the way she was treated and the complete lack of real love within the congregation I began to research as much as I could about the JW’s. There is a very good reason they don’t want people reading anything negative about them. The true history of the Watchtower Society is very embarrassing.
You evidently disagree with my statement that “JW’s bury their heads in the sand when presented with proof that they are in doomsday cult”. I could word it differently but the message is still the same. JW’s are TRAINED to ignore anything critical of the group. We both know you can’t deny the “Doomsday” nature of the group. It doesn’t get any more obvious than telling people that the end of this world is near and if your not in our “special” little club you will be murdered by God. If you don’t believe the JW’s are a cult, I ask you how much do you really know about cults? Have you ever studied anything about how to spot common warning signs of cults? You say you don’t “bury your head in the sand”, so I challenge you to study as much as you can about cults. This way you can decide for yourself if the Watchtower Society uses cult like tactics to keep people trapped in the organization. Instead of wasting time out in field service why don’t you take the time to educate yourself.
Since you probably will bury your head in the sand I will just demonstrate a few common cult like behaviors that can be found in the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Teach that salvation can only be found within the group. Demonize everone not in the cult. Claim that the end of the world is coming and everyone outside the cult will be destroyed. Indoctrinate phobias about ever leaving the group. Completely shun former members, even family members. The shunning policy keeps people in fear of ever leaving the cult. Control the information that members can read about the group. Teach that any information critical of the group comes from “Evil Apostates”. Preemptively warn potential converts that they will be persecuted for joining this “true religion”. When family and friends later show concern about their relative joining a cult the recently converted will feel as though the recruiters were right about the group being “persecuted”. Isolate the members from non-members. This helps foster the group think which is crucial for a cult. Enforce the fact that no dissenting opinions are allowed about the groups leaders. Only uplifting comments are allowed. Tell the members that if they don’t report “independent thinkers” to the elders they will be sharing in their crimes and might not be in God’s memory at Armageddon. Teach that working for free as slave labor for the organization is “life-saving” work. Such as recruiting new members or working in a factory printing material for the recruitment work. Teach that the leaders of the group can somehow speak for God. Teach that questioning these MEN who are in charge of the group would be equal to questioning God. Teach that there is no legitimate reason to leave the cult, former members are often portrayed as evil or unrepentant wrongdoers. Teach the members that they should not rely on their own thinking or “understanding”. The leaders of the group will discern “truth” which will then be accepted by the followers without question.
There are a lot of decent people who are JW’s. But that doesn’t change the fact that the group is a cult. Most JW’s don’t even know what kind of a group they’re really in. Do you think they allow themselves to research the real history of this little doomsday cult? Do you know that before the tax laws were changed in 1980 JW’s used to sell all the publications door to door. Think about it. The Watchtower Society, a publishing corporation masquerading as a religion told their followers that their eternal salvation was dependent on going door to door for free selling Watchtower publications and recruiting more people into the organization. These new converts would then also perform this “life saving” work by also becoming unpaid salesman and cult recruiters. It’s like a sick and twisted pyramid scheme. And the mindless drones just do as there told.
Jwfacts.com is a great website to find out the real truth about the Watchtower Society. Do your homework.
Hi Watchtowers Witnesses,
I’m terribly sorry that you suffer from being a compulsive liar, and a bad one at that. If anyone bothers reading this far past that ridiculous ramble of lies, just reverse everything that was written in the above post, and you might be somewhere close to what is actually the truth about the Govering Body. I read 3 articles in the Watchtower magazine on the train today. I have never felt the ride to work go so fast before, I was loving being able to switch off from all the filthy language from teenagers and learn a bit more about the New Heavens and New Earth that our Loving God Jehovah has waiting in store for his people.
I know you take this on as a challenge to see how many people you can steer away from learning the truth about Jehovah’s Witnesses. Why would you want to do such a thing? You won’t even get a chance at getting through armageddon mate. You’ll be classed as an apostate, don’t you know that? You do know that you are sinning against Jehovah’s spirit, doing what you do here, don’t you????
He he he he, Enjoy Gehenna, Thats certainly where you belong. Me, I’ll be enjoying everlasting life, building a log cabin on a mountain side somewhere, forever grateful to my creator Jehovah, for giving me the wisdom to see through evil deception like yours. Well, attempted deception anyway.
oh, Yeah, and I forgot to mention to you that I’ll be enjoying having my own Lion and Lioness pets, along with my own flock of flamingos, as well as a couple of toucan birds. Yes, people, it is a promise of the almighty god Jehovah’s that when he makes all things new again, that we will have the whole animal kingdom in subjection to us, as was originally intended. Read it all in the bible… Funny how none of the good news about the future, is ever brought up by anyone here, when that, is essentially, what the Jehovah’s Witnesses try to teach to people. Live by the rules set by God Almighty himself, in the bible, and get everlasting life in a earth restored back to perfection, by Jehovah God himself, so you know its going to unbelievable good,.. or listen and believe what watchtowers witnesses has to tell you, and never find out about how easy it is, to just live by the common sense standards set out in the Bible, but instead, be blinded by the evil deception being spread here by watchtowers witnesses (and of which, is explicitly warned against in the bible), and lose out on a chance of being in that new world system in a paradise earth.
Just think about it.. It’s so obvious that mankind has no way or means of fixing the earth that it has polluted and partly ruined, So either you believe that mankind will just eventually wipe itself by ruining its own home, or that the divine creator of everything, has everything in hand, and a plan (a grand plan!) all prepped to act on.
Yeah, I’m going with the latter myself.
Oh, and before you say that I’ve got my head in the sand again, as you love to do, I would like to know what your plan is?
Are you going to go up there and fix the hole in the ozone layer yourself are you?
Are you going to personally ask all the terrorists to please stop blowing things up are you?
How exactly are you going to fix all the problems at the moment in the world?
Why don’t you focus some of your time on solving problems like those, if you think we don’t need the Creator to fix everything up for us?
I read an Awake! article this morning:
If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the “last days” in 1914, Jesus foretold: “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.”-Matt. 24:34
Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way towards its finish, if not actually gone! –Awake! May 22 1969
Someone 18 years old (possibly considering college at that time) would have been born in 1951 & would now be 59…eligible for Social Security in just 3 more years (full benefits if they wait an additional 4 years.) It’s a good thing they’ll “never grow old in this present system of things.”
I’ve read some of the comment that were left. I have this thing to say to those who are jehova’s witnesses…How can u be apart of a religion that would disfellowship u if you do not follow them…How could u support a religion that would brainwash u into turning your back on your family just cus they dont follow or support the religion you choose even though they have been there for you for everything else and supporrt you at everything else you do.
Jason just did more for educating potential seekers on the fanatical ravings of JW’s than what anyone could ever say here. I was raised as a JW, never baptized, and could see the hypocrisy and brainwashing by the time I was 10. I left, and was fortunate to be able to get my parents out also. They had been in for over 20 years, and had already lost their two eldest sons to the “world”, I refused to go at 16 (found out they couldn’t legally force me to go at that age), and the thought of having their entire family ripped apart, coupled with the enormous hypocrisy in the reality of JW’s finally convinced them to listen to logic and reason. They have been out for over 10 years now, and are so regretful and embarrassed over what they allowed to happen in their family. My mother suffered for years with severe depression and suicidal thoughts after removing herself as she was wracked with guilt and remorse of what she had done to her children.
So, Watchtowers Witnesses, thank you for your completely accurate, and really, very kind assessment of JWs.
I feel sorry for the family. I also feel sorry for any JW who have to live their life listening to the Watchtower and not the bible. I was raised a JW I am not 32 and had depression all my life. Now I am set free by Christ. I still study but now I only use my bible. I still have one sister who is a witness and hope that someday she will see the light. (she also struggles with depression)
i WAS RAISED A JW BUT NOT BAPTIZED,BEEN OUT OF THE RELIGION NOW FOR 24YRS. I AM ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT GOING BACK! WHEN I LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THE WORLD TODAY,IT SCARES ME!!! WE AS HUMANS ARE DESTROYING IT VERY QUICKLY!!I AM HAPPILY MARRIED TO A GREAT WOMAN, I HAVE A KILLER JOB,I MAKE JUST UNDER 200 THOUSAND A YR,I HAVE 2 CORVETTES A SKI BOAT,30FT CAMPER,A HARLEY DAVIDSON,HOT TUB AND AN INGROUND HEATED POOL,BY WORLDLY STANDARDS I AM LIVING THE DREAM!! SO WHY DO I FEEL LIKE I’M MISSING SOMETHING!!! I AM 44YRS OLD AND I WAS THINKING,EVEN IF I WENT BACK TO THE JW’S AND LIVED FOR ANOTHER 50YRS AND DIED BEFORE ARMAGGEDON,IS IT STILL NOT WORTH THE PROMISE TO LIVE FOREVER?????
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? IF THE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS ARE RIGHT AND THEY ARE WAITING TO GET TAKEN TO HEAVEN WHEN THE RAPTURE COMES,WHAT HAPPENS TO THE EARTH? WHY DID GOD CREATE THE EARTH,FOR A TESTING GROUND FOR US HUMANS? SINCE I LEFT THE JW’S I HAVE HAD NO CONTACT WITH RELIGION AT ALL EXCEPT LATELY WHEN I STARTED TALKING TO A FRIEND AT WORK WHO IS A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN,I ACTUALLY READ THE HOLY BIBLE FROM FRT TO BACK,HARD TO MAKE SENSE OF IT THOUGH!! VERY VIOLENT BOOK,WHOLE TRIBES OF MEN,WOMEN AND CHILDREN WIPED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH AT GODS COMMAND!!THIS WAS NOT THE NEW WORLD TRANSLATION OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES THOUGH THAT THE JW’S READ,THIS WAS A WORLDLY KING JAMES VERSION,I CAN’T FIND MY JW BIBLE AND I’M AFRAID TO TRY TO GET ONE BECAUSE I’M NOT SURE I WANT TO TALK WITH THEM YET!!
To Watchtower Witnesses and everyone else:
I would first like to begin by apologizing for any unloving or unkind remarks that may have been made by those who say they are one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The example Jesus set for us in the Bible was one of compassion and humility, not of proving your point regardless of whom you might deter from listening to your message. Being fanatical in your views and name calling are absolutlely unacceptable in everyday life especially when trying to get others to listen to ehat you have to say.
To Jason:
I have spent the last 30 years of my life around JW’s. My parents are regular pioneers. My father served as an elder for many years. I have never heard one of them speak to anyone the way you did. You are not conveying the message of hope and brotherly love as Jesus did. He would never have been so harsh or juvenile to those that did not believe in him. I am truly sad because this is the image you are portraying for this compassinate, kind, devoted organization of people. Actually, I’m pretty appalled. I believe that you love your Creator. But you have to remember when dealing with those that may have had bad experiences or have certain perjudices to your viewpoint, berating them will only further drive them from you. Jehovah’s love for his human children extends to those that are unbelievers and he wishes for all of them to come to an accurate knowledge of him. He has accepted you as an imperfect person into his organization with multitudes of forgiveness for the things you have done and for the things you will do. You are to emulate his example and accept others for what they are and believe. You do not want people to remember your message in the name of Jehovah to be one of damnation and severity. Rather, it is the promise of forgiveness, salvation, and eternal life that should be drawing in your listeners.
If nothing else, individuals who may not particularly agree with your beliefs might be, “won over,” by your attitude and spirit.
I was brought up as one of JW’s. And although I have not attended meetings in many years, I am thankful to my wonderful parents who brought me into that organization years ago. I would never change the fact that that is how I was brought up for I believe that it has made me the person I am today. I had the most wonderful childhood and I was very protected from the damaging influences of the outside world.
As an adult on my own, I have now come to realize all those influences my parents were trying to protect me from. The world is a beautiful place as seen in its variety of creations including human beings that our loving Creator made. The world as a society formed by man is cruel, inhumane, violent, and disgusting.
In summary, we are all the same deep down. We have a spiritual need that needs to be fullfilled. We all fill that need differently.
I hope everyone on here, no matter what your beliefs are, find true happiness. But the best place to start is in heartfelt prayer to Jehovah. Seek his guidance and he will lead you to the truth.
Thank you
Hi Me, I had a few thoughts about what you said. You said you were happy you were raised as a Jehovah’s Witness, but that you are no longer a member in good standing. Are your parents shunning you? You realize that if you leave the Jehovah’s Witnesses you are to be treated as if you’re dead by family members still trapped within the cult. In fact your parents would be kicked out of the group and shunned as well if they insist on having any contact with a child who is no longer a member. What are your own thoughts about the shunning policy? Many cults have shunning policies for former members and I believe it has a lot to do with control and keeping people trapped. My wife’s family that are still Jehovah’s Witnesses are completely shunning her simply because she doesn’t go to the meetings any more.
I think the one positive thing about the shunning policy is that it gives a great “witness” to non-members about what kind of a group the Jehovah’s Witnesses really are. I have many extended family members who are not JW’s and they always thought the JW’s were a odd religion, but mostly harmless. After witnessing the shunning policy firsthand and the complete lack of love they now know it’s a dangerous Religious Cult that tears families apart. And they are warning everyone they know about the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Do you still believe in the Watchtower Societies interpretation of the Bible? Because they teach that since you are not a member in good standing you are going to be murdered by God at Armageddon. How can you defend a organization who preaches that since you are not a member of their special little club you are a part of Satan’s world? You sound like you’re physically out of the Jehovah’s Witnesses but are still mentally trapped. You need to let go of the indoctrination you received as a child. The world is not as bad of a place as you have been trained to believe.
Just a suggestion for anyone looking into the History of JW’s and wants to know how they were founded just do a google search for charles taze russel who started the cult initially before passing the torch along to others and it becoming what it is today.
You will find it very interesting as i did to research CHARLES and his masonic ties to the lodge and even his travels with other significant religious leaders and even his own burial at the Pyramid with engravings of the knife and Holy cross (masonic Symbols) on his own tombstone and the most exciting thing is learning how things came to be and how they were originated because it teaches us what soon becomes thought patterns of what the truth really is and how it came to be.
Watchtowers witnesses what do you believe?with the condition of the earth right now,does it not seem like maybe the jw’s are right?
Hi Exjw, You asked “what do you believe?” I believe many things, there are also many things I don’t believe. If you would like a specific answer you need to ask a specific question. Do I think the JW’s might be right? Not a chance. You mentioned the condition of the Earth as possible “proof” that they might be right. Well I think the argument could be made that there are many things in modern society that are much better than they use to be. There is evidence that conditions in the world are improving. That is not an opinion, that’s a fact. Civil rights, rights of women, advances in healthcare which alleviates real suffering, etc. But there are also negative things going on in the world. If someone has a preconceived notion that world conditions are going to get worse, than they will most likely look for evidence to support that idea. With 24 hour news channels it’s very easy to focus on the horrific things happening in the world. Do you think it’s psychologically healthy to actually be happy when bad things happen in the world? Do you believe that some JW’s are in a way thrilled when a tsunami or earthquake kills thousands of people because that helps support their belief that we are getting even closer to some apocalyptic/utopian fantasy they have been taught? I believe that the worldview of the JW’s is extremely negative.
Lets say hypothetically that things are getting worse in the world. I believe it’s delusional to think that some magical being is going to come down to Earth and wave his magic wand and solve all our problems. The reality is if we want things to improve in the world we need to use our intellect to come up with ideas and solutions to problems in this world. Either that or we sit around and complain about how horrible things are. Or another option is to create fantasies about how we can someday live in a different world than the one we live in right now. But what if this is the only life we get? It sure would be a waste to just focus on the negative things in the world and not enjoy all the positive things that can be found in this life.
JW’s are not unique. Many doomsday cults have said the same thing throughout history. “The end is near, your only hope for survival/salvation is to join our cult!!!”
Watchtowers witnesses do you mean you don’t believe in a god?I guess my last message wasn’t specific,I am sorry for being vague.I was actually wondering what your religious belief was?from your return message can I assume you don’t believe in the bible at all?thanks
Exjw, You are, rightly, p*ssed off at the state of the world, but that doesn’t mean that an extraterrestrial is going to make it all better; give your ego a rest. If the world was a nice, happy place there would be no need for “god” and religion probably would not exist at all. As it is religionists think “hey, the world is pants, ergo there must be a god who loves me and will send me to a better place”. It’s not going to happen, get used to it. Atheism has set me free from religious claptrap, I consider myself to be a better adjusted, happier person than any JW I ever knew.
Hey I have a question about the JW what if you are not one and dated one then she masterbated and got this infection down there then lied to her parents about it and her parents including her little sister knew we was dating what would happen to them if I told any JW like if I joined them and admitted to that? I mean I learned a lot about the religion and she now after a year an 3 months finally admitted she was ashamed and didn’t wanna be with me because she was afraid of being shunned wouldn’t she still like be shunned including her whole family
Hey I have a question about the JW what if you are not one and dated one then she masterbated and got this infection down there then lied to her parents about it and her parents including her little sister knew we was dating what would happen to them if I told any JW like if I joined them and admitted to that? I mean I learned a lot about the religion and she now after a year an 3 months finally admitted she was ashamed and didn’t wanna be with me because she was afraid of being shunned wouldn’t she still like be shunned including her whole family
Turn to the true god Jehovah, while there is still time. This world is about to plunge into an unimaginably dark hole, of pain, followed by the destruction of this world as you know it. What follows will be unimagineably good……. but the generation of people coming up now, as we speak, and thier rebel angel leader, are going to have to deal with the only, true god, and he will not be happy. Just like when noah and his family were being laughed at, and ridiculed, so are the true god’s people today. GET ON THE “ARK”, WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME!!!!!!!PRAISE TO THE TRUE GOD JEHOVAH!!!!!!!
That sure is a lot of doom and gloom in your post Badmanalive, cheer up. It’s going to be okay. The sky is not falling, despite what you’ve been told by the Watchtower Society.
You do realize the story of the flood in the Bible was fictional right? Don’t be so gullible. A magical boat that was able to fit every animal species inside. That’s pretty funny actually when you learn how many different types of animals there are on the planet. And a story of a rainstorm that covered all the high mountains on the Earth is ridiculous. Do you know how high Mt. Everest is? Because the author of the flood story in Genesis sure didn’t. The amount of rain required to raise sea level above Mt. Everest in forty days surely would have sunk a giant wooden boat under the force of the rain. Like I said that would have been one “Magical” boat.
The Watchtower Society is just an average run of the mill Doomsday Cult. Same old story, “The End Is Near!!! Join our CULT if you want to survive!!!”
Watchtowers Witnesses: Didn’t you see my question I had asked???
I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH AND FIND THE TRUTH ON THEIR OWN. EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN BELIEFS AND BY BASHING AND JUDGING IS NOT THE RIGHT WAY. DO NOT LET ANYONE PERSUADE YOU TO LISTEN TO THEIR JUDGEMENTS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING..I ADVISE EVERYONE TO PRAY AND LET GOD DO THE WALKING AND TALKING…
Watchtowers Witnesses: Didn’t you see my question I had asked???
Hi Jake, yes I saw your question. But honestly there were so many grammar errors it was hard to understand exactly what you were asking. If you and the JW girl you dated “fornicated” it’s possible she would be kicked out and shunned by her family and friends and everyone in her congregation. But if she is “repentant” and cries and grovels in front of the Elders when they interrogate her and ask her uncomfortably intimate details about any sexual encounters she had she might not be kicked out. Sometimes it depends on the Elders and if they want to make an example out of someone. It also depends on if she has been baptized into the organization. Once you’re baptized there is no honorable way to leave the cult. Anyone who leaves either voluntarily or by being disfellowshipped is shunned by their family and treated as if they’re dead.
Are you seriously thinking of joining the JW’s? For your own sanity and future happiness you don’t want anything to do with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Run as fast and as far as you can from this group. They are a doomsday cult. If you believe what they have told you about being the “Truth” then research as much as you can about them. You will quickly realize their organization is not what it claims to be. The people you see in the Kingdom Hall are literally trapped. They can’t leave the cult or else they will lose their family and so called “friends”. You don’t want to find yourself later on in your life trapped in the same situation they are in.
I would recommend jwfacts.com or jehovahs-witness.net if you have anymore questions about the JW’s.
Watchtowers Witnesses: Yeah sorry about that I was in a rush that day but lets say she is baptized and her family too knew she was dating me and she won’t admit the truth to the elders for anything in this world and sent me a half naked picture of her with face and all so we all can clearly see who it is and she caught a disease in her vaginal from masterbation and won’t admit to any of it then what because her family will try to cover for her too and when we dated i wasn’t a JW
Well she sounds like a smart girl for not admitting anything to the elders. Can you imagine the kind of emotional trauma that would result from being shunned by your own parents and being looked down upon by everyone in her congregation? The Kingdom Hall is not a psychologically healthy environment for JW’s.
I’m really interested in what your motivation in this situation is. Are you planning on reporting her to the JW’s? If you are, why would you want to do that? Do you realize you could be partly responsible for tearing a family apart? Do you feel obligated to “confess” your sins and the sins of the girl you dated? Are you attending the meetings? Because I’m getting the impression you are.
Sorry if it seems like I’m being nosy, but it’s hard to give advice if I don’t know the situation.
No, its okay but I knew that when I got into the relationship and I realized I am going to be responsible for tearing a family apart but I can’t walk around with sin on my head anymore and if I am to fully be reborn I need everything including that to come out and whatever happens just happens, but also yes that was a smart move she made but you can’t hide sin it eventually will come out one way or anther I’ve already to do the right thing I gave it along hard thought and wanna do it and go into being a JW sin free
this message is for everyone that has written their answers on this page. first of all people who believe in Jehovah God should always spread the words with love not anger and none of us are in any position to judge or condemn people i myself have been guilty at doing those things myself. i’m trying to get rid of any hate or anger within myself. i can see points of views both ways. unfortunately ther is no easy solution for divisions caused amongst families. i will say Jehovah God is mankind’s only hope,but there is unfairness even in Jehovah’s organization. remeber God is the judge so it’s definately time to look deep inside ourselves and keep learning how to love instead of hate. thank you jimmy t. p.s. salvation is decided between Jehovah God and us it’s a choice
My sisters and I were raised as Jehovah Witnesses, two of us left the faith in adulthood. I never to return but after 9/11 my sister thought it was armagedon and returned to the Kingdom Hall. Her life went downhill from there as she started to separateherself from her family and husband. Eight years later her marriage was failing and it was no body’s fault but her own because she had chosen the JW family over her husband. The divorce was a nasty one and last year she took her own life. Now the JW’s say it couldn’t be a suicide because that would be going against Jehovah’s gift of life. I’m the only one in my family right now that is not in denial over my sister’s death. She was depressed, trapped and I believe she had started to see that choosing a religion over her family had cost her too big of a price. She never let on that she was suicidal but 2 weeks before she died, she asked me to pray for her. Now I’m a Methodist and this totally shocked me but i told her I would and I did.I wish I could have done more….May she rest in peace, my dear little sister was only 34 years old.
I disassociated myself in July of this year, and I just wanted to say that I have felt so much better since leaving, but I think the main point for me is not so much the shunning, but the realization that this is not the ‘truth’, when I realized that, there was no way that I could stay, I am still a Christian and I believe in the Bible and God and Jesus, it was Jesus who said ‘I am the way the truth and the life’ he did not point to an organization as being the way or the truth. after reading many books including Ray Franz’s crisis of conscience and in search of Christian freedom, captives of a concept, the gentile times reconsidered, and reasoning from the scriptures by Ron Rhodes, I learned about the deceptions of the watchtower, the failed prophesies and dates i.e 1975 year of Armageddon. etc.,yes the world is in an appalling state, these things were predicted in the bible, the watchtower society is not the only religion to teach that we are near the end of the world. and just because they teach that does not make them the truth, or God’s channel of communication, when has God ever gotten anything wrong? how many times are they going to keep changing things under the guise of ‘the light is getting brighter’.
why are you not allowed to read anything that contradicts them, the Bible has stood the test of time, shouldn’t the wts if they are the ‘truth’?
for those of you who still believe, that is of course your right, but ask yourself why are so many people leaving the society? where is it written in the bible - where Jesus or any of the apostles spoke about a two class system,- one heavenly the other earthly. surely Jesus would have made that clear. why is the 607 date not recognized by historians, and why was Carl Olof Jonsson, defellowshipped after he tried to show the gb that the dates were incorrect. you can read the letters on the internet, that was sent back and forth.
Why is it that only the ‘anointed are allowed to partake of the emblems at the memorial, when Jesus said that all Christians who followed were to do so. try reading the bible without using the watchtower literature, you will be amazed at what you will discover for yourself, as many thousands of people are now realizing. Jesus gave us freedom, the watchtower society took away that freedom, it tells us what to think and how to act rather than allowing our bible based conscience to work for us. and dont let me get started on Christian love or lack thereof — in my 27 years I have only seen true Christian love from a handful, i found real Christian love from worldly people, when my 22 year old son was killed in an accident, not one witness showed me the kind of love that these worldly people showed.
so if you still believe that the watchtower society is the truth, then you should not be afraid to do some research - the bible tells us to question our beliefs, or words to that affect. whether you want to believe that its a cult or not is not going to make you change your mind you should ask yourself is it the truth? why are so many people talking about it — its not persecution - read these books or check on the internet - as someone wrote about jw.facts, or you can check on jwrecovery forum. and read the experiences of many people exjw.s
the truth should set you free not imprison you.
Watchtowers Witnesses said:
That sure is a lot of doom and gloom in your post Badmanalive, cheer up. It’s going to be okay. The sky is not falling, despite what you’ve been told by the Watchtower Society.
You do realize the story of the flood in the Bible was fictional right? Don’t be so gullible. A magical boat that was able to fit every animal species inside. That’s pretty funny actually when you learn how many different types of animals there are on the planet. And a story of a rainstorm that covered all the high mountains on the Earth is ridiculous. Do you know how high Mt. Everest is? Because the author of the flood story in Genesis sure didn’t. The amount of rain required to raise sea level above Mt. Everest in forty days surely would have sunk a giant wooden boat under the force of the rain. Like I said that would have been one “Magical” boat.
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You really are a fool. There is archaelogical evidence of an ark being found and dated to the time of the flood. You tell everyone else to do their research, do some yourself!!
you guys are like this because you guys lost faith. Satan has gotten to you guys and you let the apostates fool you. if you guys were really spiritual, you wouldn’t have gotten out of the organization. first of all, we are not a fake organization, we just do as Jehovah tells us which is in the bible. Don’t be sorry when Armageddon comes…
I AM 61 .I HAVE BEEN OUT FOR 35 YEARS.I HAVE SEEN (JW’S) DESTORY MANY POEPLE. WHY? THEY DID IT IN GOD’S NAME, JUST TO SHOW HOW POWER HUNGRY THEY ARE.WHAT THEY HAVE SHOWN ME IS NOT THE TRUTH!I HOPE THERE IS A GOD SO THEY WILL HAVE TO SEE IF THEIR NAME IS IN THE BOOK OF LIFE! REMEBER WHAT SOLOMON SAID “A FOOL BELIVES WHAT A MAN TELLS HIM.A WISE MAN LOOKS FOR THEM SELF”.
>>>alot of people that join jehovah’s witnesses do kill themselves <<<
Any statistics, or just “a lot”?
If the jw’s are the truth or the one true religion and Jesus has already come down from heaven to tell them the truth,why do they keep changing their bible? Have there not been several different bibles published over the years all with revisions and changes?I thought Jesus was perfect why would he get things wrong and tell the jw’s to change something in the bible?
Is it true that jw’s used to allow blood transfusions.is it also true that they used to celebrate Christmas.is it true that they used to worship Jesus not Jehovah.is it true that there used to be crosses on their literature.these are a few of my questions.
No they never allowed blood transfusions infact the answer to all your questions is NEVER
Hey kg in response to your answer of never to all of my questions,have you ever looked for yourself?I don’t know what the truth really is but I’m still searching. I was raised as a jw so I only know what the watch tower society told me.deep down I always felt they were right but the more I research into the past I see too many changes in jw doctrines.I’ve honestly never met nicer people than the jw’s
Just because the jw’s are nice people it doesn’t mean the organization they follow is right. The more I search for answers the more I see the watch tower society making changes to what they want their publishers to preach doo to door.how many bible versions have been written? Does anyone have that answer for me?
i am studying at the moment with jws.i do injoy reading the watchtower n awake..i am not a person that can easly be sucked in..but i find truth in the bible.thw witnesses are very dedicated to their faith and god.they are not perfect,and if i get annoyed by any of them,its genrely a conflict of our personalitys not the truth..jehovah is the judge,no human as the right to.even jesus didnt.so lets leave the judgeing to the judge..and thats all i have to say.
Exjw asked: Is it true that jw’s used to allow blood transfusions.is it also true that they used to celebrate Christmas.is it true that they used to worship Jesus not Jehovah.is it true that there used to be crosses on their literature.these are a few of my questions.
The answer to every question is YES. The sad thing is that a high percentage of current JW’s have no idea about the real history of their religion. But don’t take my word for it, research it from the Watchtower’s own past publications. jwfacts.com is also a great resource for learning about the true history of the Watchtower.
Hello Linda. You said we shouldn’t judge, which is slightly ironic because as a “new study”, you’re being recruited into one of the most judgmental religions I’ve ever come across. They will convince you to stop associating with non JW’s because everyone outside their Cult is judged as being “bad association” and a part of Satan’s world. They will eventually teach you that everyone not a part of their Cult is going to be murdered at Armageddon. They will teach you that every other Christian denomination other than their own is a part of “false religion” and Satan’s world. Once recruited, your “spirituality” will be judged by other JW’s based on how much work you’re doing for the Corporation. And by work for the Corporation I mean hours spent recruiting new members and peddling Watchtower publications. Of course they will never word it that way, they’ll call it “preaching”. But the true goal of the door to door work is to recruit followers who will obey everything the leaders (Governing Body) say without questioning anything. As a potential convert you’re able to question the doctrine, but once baptized you can’t question anything the leaders (Governing Body) decide is “Truth”. Any (baptized) follower who voices any doubts about the group is judged as being “spiritual weak” or “bad association”. Once baptized there is no way to escape the Cult without losing family or so called “friends”. Anyone who escapes the Cult is judged by the group as being “diseased” or leaving so that they can sin. There is no honorable way to escape the group. Just the act of leaving the group is judged as sinning against God. People outside the Cult are judged as having no true love amongst themselves.
What it really comes down to is that just like a bully the Watchtower Society can dish out it out but they can’t take the same treatment. The Watchtower for decades has openly criticized and JUDGED other religions, yet when someone has a very valid criticism of the Cult like practices they employ, then the Society cries “We’re Being Persecuted!!!”
Having a internet connection you literally have a wealth of knowledge and information at your fingertips. In this day and age there is no excuse for not doing a very thorough investigation of any Apocalyptic group that comes knocking on your door trying to recruit you and turn you into a recruiter for their group as well.
Oh my.. Interesting the hypocrisy that I have seen in a couple comments in this thread. First off, if your a JW and your on this thread or website, your obviously having doubts in the first place, and 2nd off, your told by your own elders that your not allowed to be in social networks, chat room, or forums because they are considered “against Jehovah’s Kingdom”. So your being here is you going against your own religion. I remember very clearly this announcement 8 years ago from the stage at an assembly meeting. And people were disfellowshiped for it. So Good job for showing your really not sure about your faith ! You just proved the point of why this website exists in the first place.
ha! john mieskes comment is TOTALLY true. . lol.
Here’s my story. I’ve been in a relationship for 5 years. When we first met, he was 6 months out of a divorce. Around that time the JW’s had come by and he started studying. I was ok with it because it didn’t affect our lives so much. He studied once a week and went to the hall every once in a while. For the past year he has gotten more into it. Theocratical ministry school, the hall every sunday and now they are inviting him to go places and do things. He is now in service as an unbaptized publisher. We were a blended family. 5 children in total, all close in age. When they’d ask him to do things only him and his children were invited, not me and mine. All of his time and attention has gone to them. They dont acknowledge or support or relationship. So now that he is out in service, I was invited over to an elders house with him. They told me that he and I can no longer spend time together, unchaperoned…cannot show affection towards each other or tell each other we love one another. I could not believe what was happening. And he was ok with this. So not ok. And even if I started studying unless we were both baptized we could never be together. So I was basically told by these ppl that our relationship was over. And our family is breaking apart. Our children don’t deserve this. He is so brainwashed by these ppl that he’s affraid to not do what they say. Or else him and his children wont get tho live forever. They say that its ok to turn away your family, because you’ll have gods love. And thats all you need. Its just not right.
Is it a disfellowshipping offense to be a baptised witness and get caught on this website?if you are a faithful witness who believes the truth why are you on this website in the first place?
Anyone out there that knows how many versions of the new world translations are out there?i have been told that there are changes in every one as words were added or changed to support watch tower doctrines.
I have grown up in “The Truth”. I am a third generation Witness. Yes, there are fundamentals about this religion - when actually based on the Bible - that served to protect me from many problems. For example, I remained sexually chaste while growing up because fornication is something THE BIBLE teaches is wrong. However, when teachings are solidly based on the Scriptures, we will benefit - no matter if the message is delivered by The Watchtower, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, or any other group. Ultimately, the Bible is teaching in those cases.
However, not all teachings are solidly based on the Bible. As a Witness, we are trained to pick apart all other religions, and I became very efficient at tearing apart the faith of those in whose door I stood. I was confident I had the truth, and that organizational problems were just the result of “imperfect men.” Afterall, this is God’s organization. It’s a perfect organization run by imperfect people, right? That’s what I was always reminded.
As time passed, I progressed to be a Ministerial Servant. I eventually became an elder. I gave many talks throughout my circuit on a variet of subjects. I even had parts on the Circuit Assembly. Trust me folks… I have the pedigree.
However, as an elder, I couldn’t help but notice things that just didn’t seem right. Most of the time it was something I couldn’t place my finger on… but just didn’t feel right. I witnessed the lack of love expressed during elder’s meetings. I heard a talk by the District Overseer who counselled all the circuit elders that brothers were being appointed “prematurely” (a carefully worded substitute for “mistakenly” - a word that couldn’t be used since Holy Spirit is supposed to appoint all brothers.) I sat as judge in judicial meetings and decided if people were “weak” or “wicked” - and many times was overruled by the other two brothers on the committee who just wanted to get the matter over with rather than trying to help the soul who was obviously in spiritual and emotional pain. I could go on and on… but suffice it to say: being an elder was the biggest test of my faith, for I saw things behind the “curtain” that didn’t appear to be “spirit directed.”
Then I discovered, by accident, how The Watchtower formed an NGO relationship with the United Nations. How could such a relationship even exist? But, it did. And to this day, most Witnesses are still oblivious to it.
Then as I entered the worst years of my life, I began to experience the hypocritical “love” - or actually, lack of love - in the congregation. I stepped aside from being an elder. I wouldn’t be a hypocrite. I was raised with more character. Rather than be an encouragement, the congregation became terribly judgmental. Yes, the congregation is portrayed as a harbor in the storm, but they don’t tell you that the waters in that harbor are very shallow. Once you enter that harbor, you’ll be shipwrecked either going in… or trying to leave.
I’ve witnessed four different versions of the definition for “generations.” The last being the most ridiculous. However, who dares question these things lest he be branded an “apostate”? The light always is getting brighter we’re told. But sometimes we actually have returned to earlier teachings. Past truth vs. current truth… how can we be sure what we’re told now is the real truth?! Will it change again?
I do believe in a Creator. I believe in the Bible. But as I started reading my Bible sans all the Watchtower’s publications, I started to discover wonderful new things. For instance, yes the Bible teaches of a great deluge that covered the earth; however, the Hebrew word for “earth” does not literally mean the entire globe, but rather the local country or territory. It’s the same word used at Genesis 41:56 where the Egyptian famine spread over the surface of the whole “earth”, but the context of those verses clearly shows the famine was only in the land of Egypt. So it was with the flood. The flood was not global… nor did it need to be since mankind hadn’t spread throughout the earth yet. (That happened AFTER the flood.)
Anyway, after discovering that little nuggest of truth, I devoted the next several months researching every scripture we use against blood transfusions. In conclusion, I discovered that the Bible does NOT prohibit blood transfusions. The whole premise behind the commands at Acts chapter 15 was to keep peace between Jewish and Gentile Christians. The command was not addressed to ALL Christians, but only three congregations in Jewish territory. And, the four commands weren’t universal, since the Greek Corinthians were told they could eat meat sacrificed to idols as long as it didn’t offend another’s conscience. That doesn’t sound like an absolute command. The same would be true of the equally mentioned command against blood. Yet, any who accept a blood transfusion is removed from the congregation (disassociated), and thus will receive adverse judgment from our God. This makes no sense!
I have learned many more things because I have read the Bible and let God’s Word guide my thinking - not the dictates of the Governing Body. Afterall, doesn’t the Bible teach not to “put your trust in nobles”? (Psalm 146:3) Doesn’t it say that “to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step”? (Jer 10:23) Does the Bible not teach that man “dominates man to his injury”? (Ec. 8:9) Yet, we put our trust and salvation in the nobles of the Governing Body! We believe that these men can direct our step! We believe they are incorruptible and cannot do us harm! How blind we’ve become!
The Bible teaches that we should “not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.” (1 John 4:1) We are told to “make sure of the more important things.” (Philippians 1:10) Yet, if we question what we’re told to believe, then we are branded as weak or an apostate! We must march lock step with the Governing Body, or we are disloyal to Jehovah. Can’t you see that the Governing Body has now become our mediator for salvation? It has raised itself to the point that questioning those imperfect men is tantamount to questioning God himself?! Apostasy means to rebel against Jehovah, however, disagreeing with the organization is also viewed as apostasy!
Nevertheless, I’ll end my experience with this one particular Scripture that cannot be refuted by any Witness:
“[Jesus] said: “Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them.” (Luke 21:8)
My friends, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society - the “Organization” that we’ve followed - has from the very beginning done the very thing that Jesus warned us to stay away from. It is an organization that has come on the basis of Jesus’ name - claiming to be in his authority. It has stated that “I am he” meaning that they are the only one identified and authorized by Christ that we are to follow. And, they have always stated that the due time has approached. They have been saying this by identifying specific dates from the mid 1880’s, 1914, 1925, 1975, and with the general times we are currently living in. The end is always “very close”, “at hand”, “the last days of the Last Days.” Jesus told us to not follow such a group.
So, let me ask you: Why would Jehovah God raise up a true religion that exhibits the same characteristics that Jesus told us to avoid?
I have devoted so much time, energy, money, blood, sweat, and tears to this organization. It has broken my heart time and time again. I cannot ignore the obvious now: It lacks the genuine love that would identify Christ’s disciples. (John 13:35) It pushes people to feel that they can never measure up. We can never put in enough hours in the field ministry. We are always worried that we’re not measuring up to God’s expectations. We are judged everytime we walk in a Kingdom Hall by our peers. No wonder Witnesses are depressed! They feel like they’re always failing! The Organizaton displays traits you would not see from the Christ, or from our Heavenly Father.
Yes, the Watchtower has taught some truths and basics from the Bible; however, all Christian religions have taught some truth when it’s based on the Bible. Remember, what James wrote: “You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.” (James 2:19) Even false religions can recognize basic truths.
In light of Luke 21:8, who are you going to follow? The Watchtower organization, or Christ Jesus? It’s one or the other.
The apostle Peter answers it well for me: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” (Acts 5:29)
Just read your Bible. It has the simple answers. It must, otherwise how did it last this long without the Watchtower’s publications explaining it to the human race?
Best wishes to all.
Fading what do you consider a false religion? Have you started reading another bible other than the NWT?
Fading do you still believe that only 144000 go to heaven? Do you believe we should be praying to jesus or jehovah?
wow.
it is always hilarious to see JW apologists blog and post on “apostate” sites as if they have some greater moral clarity and “hope”.
i wonder, if any of these watchtower disciples of the governing body of made-up-as-we-go theology, if they actually DO believe what they’re saying here… if they actually have so much confidence that they have “TRUTH” then do they also have the courage to go to the local elders and PROUDLY tout thier association with apostates?
seriously, you jw lackeys, next time you blog a defence of the watchtower, or come to a “apostate” website to recruit, please at least be consistant!
if you’re so right, and we’re so wrong- then tell the elders what you’re up to.
i dare you.
pray on it. pray real real hard, and then man-up, show some fortitude and tell the elders you went on the internet, deliberately sought out and researched apostate sites, and took it upon yourself to converse with all of us, all of us who MUST be “demonic” given that we don’t “recognise the authority of the elders”.
i dare you.
tell the elders, then write to the society, telling them they’re wrong to forbid you from internet apostacy, tell the governing body they are wrong for not allowing you to debate apostates.
i dare you.
but we all know you won’t. you wouldn’t THINK of telling the elders what you’re doing, because you KNOW the consequences.
so- tell us, when you pray to jehovah- do you ask to be forgiven for breaking the rules? or do you pray that the rules change ?
you think you’re accomplishing something?
free your mind.
the fact you have to hide what you’re doing in order to defend what you claim to believe OUGHT to be ironic for you.
Exjw,
As you can tell, I’m currently in the process of discovery and migration out of this organization. It’s not easy. It has been fascinating to see things so entirely different… from the same verses I’ve read so many times along with The Watchtower! Bear with me though, and be patient. I’m searching for the REAL truth just as much as any other. And this takes time.
False relgion… well, obviously that’s a throwback from my WT training; however, I’m beginning to question if ANY specific religion has the monopoly on truth. I made the statement about false religions recognizing basic truths from a JW viewpoint. Of course, from that viewpoint, any religion other than the WT organization is false, right?! I do not belive, though, that any particular relgion has “the truth”, and no particular religion is entirely “false”. Truths are found in the Bible - and any person or group who teaches what the Bible actually says is reflecting that truth. I have family members who are baptist. Though I always viewed them as a “false” religion, I had to acknowlege that some things they teach are also correct. Now, I’m applying this to the WT organization too.
When Jesus returns during the conclusion of this system (”the sign of the Son of Man”), I belive there will be good, humble, people throughout the world in a variety of cultures, languages, and even religions, who will submit to Christ and the Kingdom. I hope so at least.
I have always considered other translations in my study and research. I enjoy seeing how other translations word a verse - and many other translations actually are clearer than the NWT. I discovered that when researching the Blood doctrine. I am not prejudiced when it comes to the NWT. I also acknowledge there are some legitimate questions about how the NWT has translated some verses, but I believe that is why other translations should be considered as well. Hey… if the Governing Body can consult other translations, then why can’t I?! (Sarcasm there.)
Do I believe in the 144,000? The Bible mentions 144,000, but the 12 tribes that each provide 12,000 members are obviously symbolic. So, if the tribe is symbolic, then the 12,000 members of that symbolic tribe must be symbolic too. Therefore, the 144,000 have to be symbolic. That’s just plain logic for me. Now, what does the 144,000 symbolize? Still working on that one…
Who should we pray to? I haven’t yet really approached that subject head-on. I do pray to Jehovah God. I do, however, acknowledge Jesus more in my prayers. I noticed a good while back how prayers at the Kingdom Hall mention and thank God for the Governing Body and Faithful and Discreet Slave far more than they ever do for what Jesus has done for us. That bothered me. I don’t mention the GB, FDS, or the organization in my prayers any more - but I do speak about Jesus. Do I pray to Jesus? Not yet, but I acknowlege that there are examples where faithful Christians did pray to Jesus - such as Stephen before he was stoned to death. I just haven’t tackled this subject yet. I’m getting there though… one step at a time.
In case Jor-L5150 is referencing me… I am not a JW apologist. I do not agree with the organization on many things, and I do not apologize for them. Technically, if you do not agree 100% with the organization, then you are 100% apostate… I know that. I don’t agree with that policy, but that’s the rules they’ve made unfortunately. I have to be careful though. With so many friends and family still in that organization, and knowing what will happen if I declare my disbeliefs openly, I am being discreet right now as to when and how I’ll make my separation. I am following the approach to just fade out… since I can still keep ties with those still in.
We all are taking this journey together, and some are definitely further ahead than I am. Yet, I am ahead of others for whom I care very much. Once I understand things even more clearly, I hope to help them - but that can’t be done if I have clearly been marked as an apostate.
Sorry for rambling. Thanks for your patience.
@ fading-
no i wasn’t aiming at you, just a few posts above you.
i too tried the “fade” - it isn’t as easy as you think (not that you think it’s easy) but “fading” only works if you were already a “fringer”, if you were ever a high-profile, then the absence is conspicuous. sooner or later someone “out of concern” is going to apporach/confront you.
in my case, and i’m sure this is the case with many ex-jaydubs, i TRIED to fade but it didn;t work. i honestly don’t know how i’m not disfellowshipped. some in the congregation are cool with me (they know i dont believe what they believe - and they know i won’t treat them badly and they don;t treat me badly) some even socialise with me (at thier own peril) and some literally think i am an agent of the devil! LOL!
Hey fading thanks for the info!! I am going to keep searching for my truth,I know I will find a religion that that makes me feel welcome!! Take care and good luck on your search!! I will keep looking for your posts to read!!
@ fading
@ Exjw
just out of curiousity, and i am completely serious and not combative here, but ….why?
why do you need a religion to “feel welcome” ?
you’re perfectly free to do whatever you want with your life. but what makes you think any other church will be anything but a lateral move?
sure, some of the liberal churches are inclusive, friendly to gays and ono-christians and so forth, but still- it’s religion.
i worry for some who hop from church to church looking for something when all they need is really already in them.
I guess I just need something to believe in!! I do believe that with the condition of the earth right now that the creator of the earth will not allow us to destroy it!! I do believe that Jesus died for my sins and I need to find my place of worship to give him thanks for his sacrifice for me!!
I was raised a witness, never celebrated a birthday, christmas or anything other than wedding anniversaries and the passover. My parents are still devout, especially my Dad who is an elder (30 yrs.) and the congregation “secretary”.
Back in the late 1960’s, when my parents were studying to become JWs, there was not a lot of information about them readily available or easily accessible. The only information about the WBTS that Witnesses had back then was published by the organization itself. Nowadays there is plenty of reading one can do about JWs on the internet yet, the organization still thrives. Why is this?
One answer is obvious, their success lies in the numbers. To be specific, the number of hours they (are willing to) spend in field service in order to gain a single recruit. For every 16,000 hours spent in the door to door ministry by JWs only 1 newly baptised individual is reported. (http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php) This means the average JW who puts in 10 hrs. per month will bring only 1 person into the “truth” every 133 yrs.
The ‘truth’ as Jehovah’s witnesses call it can only be found in Christ and Christ alone and NOT in an organization! They are spoon fed everything, yet understand nothing.
Beware of false prophets like Charles Russell himself. The truth is he lacked an accurate understanding of both the Greek and Hebrew language to write the New World Translation. ( God had it right the first time ) People use you brain and do your homework!
This watchtower brigade is seriously embarassing. You are a manipulitive, vindictive bunch of controle freeks.
I just came across this post while surfing the web. Let me tell you a little story about Jehovas witnesses. My mom and stepdad became jehovas witnesses long after I moved out of the house. Thank God for that one. Their group taught them that people outside of the JW faith are “worldly” and you shouldnt have anything to do with them. So I got booted from my moms and my little sisters lives. My mom does occasionally sneak in a call every now and then, because she says that she believes I will make it to paradise earth anyway because I have a really good heart. Well years down the line my little sister escaped the clutches of my step dad and was terrified to come near me because he told her that my husband and I would do perverted things to her since we were “worldly”. She did however go to another family members house (not a Jehovas witness.) and since then helped our other little sister escape. My sister went to the kingdom hall and told the elders that she did move from her mom and dads house because her and her sister were being abused and tormented since they were young children. Guess what happend to my sister? She got disfellowshipped. My sisters were isolated and made to fear that if they told, God would hate them and they would not have everlasting life. Well I guess my step dad was right. My sister was disfellowshipped because according to their kingdom hall she was going against her parents and her faith. They actually tried to urge her to go home! You might ask what happend to their abusers. Well the last time I talked to my mom was about 2 years ago and guess what they are still Jehovas Witnesses. In fact according to my mother my step dad is going to be made an Elder.
What a sick story, my little sister was molested by my grandfather who was a devote jw until the day he died! When my sister grew up she finally told the family what a monster my grandfather was but the jw’s did nothing to him. They said he is an old man leave him alone! He died in good standing with the religion!! Pretty sad
Seriously is this the best you all have…lol..I am an ex witness and this is pathetic…people commit suicide everyday..how about the people that were about to kill themselves and just before they did a witness knocked on the door. Remember that the bible says that there will be ones that fall from god and they will speak against god…amazing how true this seems to be..and that is in all bibles.
Yeah Kristen I’m sure the Mormons have a lot of similar stories and if you’re not searching for something why are you on this site?? We are on this site to ask questions and maybe learn something from others your comment was pretty lame and not worth reading
i commented here last year.i am still studying with a witness,not the one i had last year.she was cruel hearted,referring to people in the world as rats n their children also,that will be exterminated.there is some good people in this religion,but some evil ones too..i just don’t know what to do,she really disturbed me,why do they allow those type of people to remain,and call themselves jehovas witnesses…
linda, the organization itself is very clear on the matter. if you are not a jw you are worldly (us vs. them attitude. which is one defining characteristic of a cult) if you were a jw and now not you are an apostate (diseased mind,(their own words) demon possessed follower of Satan whose sole purpose in life is to corrupt witnesses). it is your godly duty to HATE the world and those in it. you are to turn your back so that you will remain pure unsoiled by worldly ways so you may attain Valhalla. oops everlasting life.
so for a witness what you see as evil and cruel to them is helping them attain everlasting life.
that is the basic principal for shunning family members who dare question.
hello anna..i will never hate people like that..what right do they have,to teach people to hate,when jesus said to love your neighbour,not just the ones that believe in him,but all people.i would never ever shun my family members like that.i don’t think i would make a very good watchtower witness.i love my family and people too much,to become a hate filled human being..i have heard a lot of things from so called christian witnesses,that make my stomach turn.its strange,but theres a inner voice inside me saying,do not follow…the bible says to make sure of all things,and question everything,to make sure its truth..i have noticed if they do that they are disfellowshiped.then labelled apostates,for doing what jesus told them to do.unbelievable…
i read comments from jason above,telling watchtower witnesses,to enjoy gehenna..does he think thats christian to talk like that..could we honestly imagine jesus saying that to anyone.i think not..how can he call himself a christian and keep a straight face..once again.UNBELEIVABLE.
I feel your pain.this great God who has chosen to let us humans call him by his name and the fact that we are still alive is awesome. We call him Jehovah in english. The Jews called him Yahweh or Yehovah or the pronunciation would begin with letter Y. The Israelites knew the wrath of God. I do not believe there are any ex believers in Jehovah. your journey has just begun. The reason that I say this is because God has always been and always will be. He said of himself that I AM meaning he always present. He has given us the priviledge of calling him Father. In this world we need as never before to seek our Father, Not to hide so to speak but shine for him in this darken world. He is our Creator He is Holy. Her is Pure, so Pure that no man have ever nor never will see him. Please do fear, but move on to higher level that The Father have set up for all mankind. In the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, every tongue shall confess that he is Lord to the glory of God. Forgive move forward, God will reveal him self to all of those who are willing and seeking. I love you God Love you and let everything that have breathe praise God for what he is doing through his Holy Spirit in Jesus name. Amen
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