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	<title>Comments on: Smoking, Drugs, Education and Violence</title>
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	<description>Life &#38; healing after leaving the Jehovah's Witnesses...</description>
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		<title>By: Watchtowers Witnesses</title>
		<link>http://www.exjehovahswitness.net/2009/10/smoking-drugs-education-and-violence/comment-page-1#comment-1481</link>
		<dc:creator>Watchtowers Witnesses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 07:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi George, you might not get that many responses on this website. There are a couple of great internet forums I can recommend where you can get advice or just vent about your situation. 

Go to   exjehovahswitnessforum.com 
It’s a forum were you will find many friendly and supportive people. 

You can also go to jehovahswitness.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi George, you might not get that many responses on this website. There are a couple of great internet forums I can recommend where you can get advice or just vent about your situation. </p>
<p>Go to   exjehovahswitnessforum.com<br />
It’s a forum were you will find many friendly and supportive people. </p>
<p>You can also go to jehovahswitness.net</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.exjehovahswitness.net/2009/10/smoking-drugs-education-and-violence/comment-page-1#comment-1479</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John/Anybody,

I'm JW and i stay with my parents. Today is tough day for me. Today i have to tell them that i dont want to continue being a JW. I shit scared. Anyhelp on how to tackle this situation; what to tell my parents would be appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John/Anybody,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m JW and i stay with my parents. Today is tough day for me. Today i have to tell them that i dont want to continue being a JW. I shit scared. Anyhelp on how to tackle this situation; what to tell my parents would be appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: maz</title>
		<link>http://www.exjehovahswitness.net/2009/10/smoking-drugs-education-and-violence/comment-page-1#comment-1454</link>
		<dc:creator>maz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 03:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was deciding whether or not to enter higher education while I was a JW, I was more influenced by the publications, DC drama and the DVD. Using the bible, they would bring up scriptures like "we can't serve two masters" and "put the kingdom first". For a serious, devoted JW, those words and visual input was someone enough to make you avoid higher ed because you are encouraged to think that you will benefit spiritually if you don't go. By 17, I thought that was the right way to go, and others will tell you that Jehovah will support you during the hard times (like when you can't have a job!) And that I should take up pioneering as my "real" career. Under such given reasoning, I was pretty much pushed to think tertiary education is meaningless and something that will lead us away from Jehovah.

Luckily, my father was a little "worldly" with his thoughts and he didn't like the fact that I decided not to go to university when I've been to one of the best schools in the area and I can easily get into top unis. And since he's one of the bosses of a company, everyone expects his children to be in good unis. So I am attending uni and I can't believe I didn't even consider it as an option a few years back. But I did pursue a degree that would be more practical than what I would've wanted to study (my dreams). Growing up as a JW, you're just too protected from the outside world that nobody tells you how tough life is in reality. How difficult it is to get a job without a degree etc... 

I have seen so many of my ex-JW give up their whole youth and dreams (including myself) and end up in low paid jobs. I just wonder how much potential they would've had, instead of filling their mind only with bible scriptures. But at the same time, I did leave the org after entering uni. I don't think being in uni made me involved in the things I did, I blame the JW lifestyle. Too protected and not ME. When you're too protected, you grow curiosity and rebellious attitude. When I come to think of it now, the things I did that made me disfellowshiped is just PART OF LIFE. Nothing to do with uni or the people there. I did it because that's who I am, I'm not the type who would sit back with a long skirt thinking drinking and dating is SIN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was deciding whether or not to enter higher education while I was a JW, I was more influenced by the publications, DC drama and the DVD. Using the bible, they would bring up scriptures like &#8220;we can&#8217;t serve two masters&#8221; and &#8220;put the kingdom first&#8221;. For a serious, devoted JW, those words and visual input was someone enough to make you avoid higher ed because you are encouraged to think that you will benefit spiritually if you don&#8217;t go. By 17, I thought that was the right way to go, and others will tell you that Jehovah will support you during the hard times (like when you can&#8217;t have a job!) And that I should take up pioneering as my &#8220;real&#8221; career. Under such given reasoning, I was pretty much pushed to think tertiary education is meaningless and something that will lead us away from Jehovah.</p>
<p>Luckily, my father was a little &#8220;worldly&#8221; with his thoughts and he didn&#8217;t like the fact that I decided not to go to university when I&#8217;ve been to one of the best schools in the area and I can easily get into top unis. And since he&#8217;s one of the bosses of a company, everyone expects his children to be in good unis. So I am attending uni and I can&#8217;t believe I didn&#8217;t even consider it as an option a few years back. But I did pursue a degree that would be more practical than what I would&#8217;ve wanted to study (my dreams). Growing up as a JW, you&#8217;re just too protected from the outside world that nobody tells you how tough life is in reality. How difficult it is to get a job without a degree etc&#8230; </p>
<p>I have seen so many of my ex-JW give up their whole youth and dreams (including myself) and end up in low paid jobs. I just wonder how much potential they would&#8217;ve had, instead of filling their mind only with bible scriptures. But at the same time, I did leave the org after entering uni. I don&#8217;t think being in uni made me involved in the things I did, I blame the JW lifestyle. Too protected and not ME. When you&#8217;re too protected, you grow curiosity and rebellious attitude. When I come to think of it now, the things I did that made me disfellowshiped is just PART OF LIFE. Nothing to do with uni or the people there. I did it because that&#8217;s who I am, I&#8217;m not the type who would sit back with a long skirt thinking drinking and dating is SIN.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.exjehovahswitness.net/2009/10/smoking-drugs-education-and-violence/comment-page-1#comment-1383</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is somewhat false...I am going to school to become a dentist and no elders at my congregation persuaded me otherwise. The elders didn't threaten to reprove or disfellowship me from the congregation. The elders do encourage young people to not attend higher education and instead attend pioneer school. the organization do frown upon higher education but it is not a disfellowshipping offense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is somewhat false&#8230;I am going to school to become a dentist and no elders at my congregation persuaded me otherwise. The elders didn&#8217;t threaten to reprove or disfellowship me from the congregation. The elders do encourage young people to not attend higher education and instead attend pioneer school. the organization do frown upon higher education but it is not a disfellowshipping offense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronie</title>
		<link>http://www.exjehovahswitness.net/2009/10/smoking-drugs-education-and-violence/comment-page-1#comment-1305</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 06:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an exjw, very happy to be out!  and love to read about the smart ones who muster enough courage to stand up for what they believe or NOT BELIEVE.  For everyone who leaves this cult, I can truly say, Good for you!! Day-by-day more people are realizing the GB's manipulation through the elders and their so-called "truth" or the one that was pulled on me... 'the light is getting brighter'-  Yes.. I did see the light alright and in time.  Advice - if you do your research diligently, you won't find yourself in this cult. Thanks for the opportunity to share my thoughts
Jesus is my Saviour!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an exjw, very happy to be out!  and love to read about the smart ones who muster enough courage to stand up for what they believe or NOT BELIEVE.  For everyone who leaves this cult, I can truly say, Good for you!! Day-by-day more people are realizing the GB&#8217;s manipulation through the elders and their so-called &#8220;truth&#8221; or the one that was pulled on me&#8230; &#8216;the light is getting brighter&#8217;-  Yes.. I did see the light alright and in time.  Advice - if you do your research diligently, you won&#8217;t find yourself in this cult. Thanks for the opportunity to share my thoughts<br />
Jesus is my Saviour!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.exjehovahswitness.net/2009/10/smoking-drugs-education-and-violence/comment-page-1#comment-1294</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it is infuriating to hear of how so many have been denied the benefit of higher education, it is somewhat comforting to know that my situation was not unique.

I remember growing up as a witness and hearing from the platform how "going off to college" was a sure way to end up disfellowshipped. My parents were very serious in their discouragement of pursuing a higher education anywhere but close to home.

I was an Honor student and graduated at the top of my class. I could have gone to any college I wanted, but I eschewed MIT and Berkley for a closer university (one that I could attend while living with my parents) and thought that I had managed to both satisfy my desire for knowledge and the congregation's desire to protect me from the dangerous influences of college (where I would surely become a fornicator and drunkard).

Despite staying close to home, I ended up in a judicial committee meeting over something unrelated to attending school. During the judicial committee meeting, one of the Elders brought up the fact that I had decided to go to college. He used it as an example of my lack of interest in "spiritual matters" and made it clear to all in the room that he specifically held that against me when he cast his vote on the disfellowship/reprove decision. I ended up being disfellowshipped.

After being reinstated about a year later, I got into more "trouble" and had another judicial committee meeting in which the same Elder again brought up the fact that I was still pursuing higher education and noted the deleterious effect that it would have on their decision.

While the WTS claims that they want to encourage young people to "put first the kingdom" and that the pursuit of a college education will make that difficult, the truth is that their argument is totally disingenuous. I realized soon after being disfellowshipped the second time that the reason that the Watchtower Society discourages higher education is because it encourages critical thinking. The "dangers" of higher education are not those of "worldly" vices, but those of individual thought and the empowerment that comes with knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is infuriating to hear of how so many have been denied the benefit of higher education, it is somewhat comforting to know that my situation was not unique.</p>
<p>I remember growing up as a witness and hearing from the platform how &#8220;going off to college&#8221; was a sure way to end up disfellowshipped. My parents were very serious in their discouragement of pursuing a higher education anywhere but close to home.</p>
<p>I was an Honor student and graduated at the top of my class. I could have gone to any college I wanted, but I eschewed MIT and Berkley for a closer university (one that I could attend while living with my parents) and thought that I had managed to both satisfy my desire for knowledge and the congregation&#8217;s desire to protect me from the dangerous influences of college (where I would surely become a fornicator and drunkard).</p>
<p>Despite staying close to home, I ended up in a judicial committee meeting over something unrelated to attending school. During the judicial committee meeting, one of the Elders brought up the fact that I had decided to go to college. He used it as an example of my lack of interest in &#8220;spiritual matters&#8221; and made it clear to all in the room that he specifically held that against me when he cast his vote on the disfellowship/reprove decision. I ended up being disfellowshipped.</p>
<p>After being reinstated about a year later, I got into more &#8220;trouble&#8221; and had another judicial committee meeting in which the same Elder again brought up the fact that I was still pursuing higher education and noted the deleterious effect that it would have on their decision.</p>
<p>While the WTS claims that they want to encourage young people to &#8220;put first the kingdom&#8221; and that the pursuit of a college education will make that difficult, the truth is that their argument is totally disingenuous. I realized soon after being disfellowshipped the second time that the reason that the Watchtower Society discourages higher education is because it encourages critical thinking. The &#8220;dangers&#8221; of higher education are not those of &#8220;worldly&#8221; vices, but those of individual thought and the empowerment that comes with knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.exjehovahswitness.net/2009/10/smoking-drugs-education-and-violence/comment-page-1#comment-1290</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an ex-JW now doing formal academic research on WTBTS' beliefs on higher education.  I am trying to compile as many WTBTS documents as possible related to this subject.  Unfortunately (and naturally), the wt.org site doesn't make many of the articles public.  If people find others, please post them here!  Thanks so much, and stay strong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an ex-JW now doing formal academic research on WTBTS&#8217; beliefs on higher education.  I am trying to compile as many WTBTS documents as possible related to this subject.  Unfortunately (and naturally), the wt.org site doesn&#8217;t make many of the articles public.  If people find others, please post them here!  Thanks so much, and stay strong.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.exjehovahswitness.net/2009/10/smoking-drugs-education-and-violence/comment-page-1#comment-1282</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish to thank most off all for taking the time, once you spoted this detail on the watchtower to allert people of time. I spent almost 3 years studying with JW's. I still had most of the watchtowers from 2008 so, my immediat reaction was to confirm right away. Needless to say you are right.Thinking about it, i remembered right away of the time i was attending the meetings regularly, i was desencouradge of taking my oldest daughther of portuguese classes - wich is my main language - since it was in the same day as one of the meetings and i couldn't make it because i walk a lot and by the end of that day it was just too much.I mean how could i miss another meeting in the kingdom hall? I was only going wednesdays, thursdays and sundays.Of course i still had mondays off but that was the cleaning day and tuesdays, but that's when i had my study with my teacher and thursday also study day. Thinking about it, i only had one day off, wich i spent cleaning and the all week was for them. keep in mind that i'm a single mother of 3. On top of it,whem i was very tired and eventually started skipping a meeting or 2, i had my instructor knocking at my door to tell me how i should try maybe harder.I think there is a name for it. I think MANIPULATION should do the trick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish to thank most off all for taking the time, once you spoted this detail on the watchtower to allert people of time. I spent almost 3 years studying with JW&#8217;s. I still had most of the watchtowers from 2008 so, my immediat reaction was to confirm right away. Needless to say you are right.Thinking about it, i remembered right away of the time i was attending the meetings regularly, i was desencouradge of taking my oldest daughther of portuguese classes - wich is my main language - since it was in the same day as one of the meetings and i couldn&#8217;t make it because i walk a lot and by the end of that day it was just too much.I mean how could i miss another meeting in the kingdom hall? I was only going wednesdays, thursdays and sundays.Of course i still had mondays off but that was the cleaning day and tuesdays, but that&#8217;s when i had my study with my teacher and thursday also study day. Thinking about it, i only had one day off, wich i spent cleaning and the all week was for them. keep in mind that i&#8217;m a single mother of 3. On top of it,whem i was very tired and eventually started skipping a meeting or 2, i had my instructor knocking at my door to tell me how i should try maybe harder.I think there is a name for it. I think MANIPULATION should do the trick</p>
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		<title>By: askduane</title>
		<link>http://www.exjehovahswitness.net/2009/10/smoking-drugs-education-and-violence/comment-page-1#comment-1269</link>
		<dc:creator>askduane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 52 years of worldly living, I'm in the truth now studying with JW's. I come from a broken disfunctional home that only went to church during holiday weekends and called myself a christian but not according to true scripture. I was abused while in gradeschool, had to learn mostly on my own by trial and error.

Was raped/molested at the age of 14 or 15, by my best friend's older sister at the time. Yes i'm a man and boys get raped/molested to, it was exciting to me, i wasn't forced, but the law calls it rape/molestation if an adult has sex with a minor, get it, she was 27.

My virginity was violated before I knew how to protect it and for what reason. Over the years I also learned how to master the art of having as much sex and dating as I can competing with my friend on how many girls can we break in a year. I was good at lying to women.

I learned from the Father of lies. I also learned how to be greedy in business, strive to make a profit for yourself and your company at all costs. Break hearts and pockets.

Started reading the Bible on my own some years ago, not agreeing with the system of things i've been in and agreeing with the Bible, I found exactly where I stood there. The picture didn't look good.

I decided to believe and follow the entire bible but the churches of the world didn't agree. I found one that did, it is called J.W's.

What I like most about the Jehovah's Witnesses Congregation's? The studies, discipline, the families, the children with there parents dressed up, sharing the good news of Jehovah's Kingdom with there families. I smile at every meeting with joy and delight.

See my friends I've been in the world, I know what's out there and where it leads in the end. J.W. does have the truth, its hard especially in these last days to stick with it, I know, you want to date and do all these worldly things, but in doing so my friends, don't knock something that works and is true, blocking others from experiencing the truth just because you want to do your own thing like Eve in the garden, she wanted to break free and do her own thing and that's what i'm hearing from ex-jw's. Good luck prodical people hope you find your way back in time.

As for me I'm now going all the way to become a publisher and getting baptised as a J.W.. I love every bit of the fellowship and pray to Jehovah daily that he finds me favorable to him.
askduane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 52 years of worldly living, I&#8217;m in the truth now studying with JW&#8217;s. I come from a broken disfunctional home that only went to church during holiday weekends and called myself a christian but not according to true scripture. I was abused while in gradeschool, had to learn mostly on my own by trial and error.</p>
<p>Was raped/molested at the age of 14 or 15, by my best friend&#8217;s older sister at the time. Yes i&#8217;m a man and boys get raped/molested to, it was exciting to me, i wasn&#8217;t forced, but the law calls it rape/molestation if an adult has sex with a minor, get it, she was 27.</p>
<p>My virginity was violated before I knew how to protect it and for what reason. Over the years I also learned how to master the art of having as much sex and dating as I can competing with my friend on how many girls can we break in a year. I was good at lying to women.</p>
<p>I learned from the Father of lies. I also learned how to be greedy in business, strive to make a profit for yourself and your company at all costs. Break hearts and pockets.</p>
<p>Started reading the Bible on my own some years ago, not agreeing with the system of things i&#8217;ve been in and agreeing with the Bible, I found exactly where I stood there. The picture didn&#8217;t look good.</p>
<p>I decided to believe and follow the entire bible but the churches of the world didn&#8217;t agree. I found one that did, it is called J.W&#8217;s.</p>
<p>What I like most about the Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses Congregation&#8217;s? The studies, discipline, the families, the children with there parents dressed up, sharing the good news of Jehovah&#8217;s Kingdom with there families. I smile at every meeting with joy and delight.</p>
<p>See my friends I&#8217;ve been in the world, I know what&#8217;s out there and where it leads in the end. J.W. does have the truth, its hard especially in these last days to stick with it, I know, you want to date and do all these worldly things, but in doing so my friends, don&#8217;t knock something that works and is true, blocking others from experiencing the truth just because you want to do your own thing like Eve in the garden, she wanted to break free and do her own thing and that&#8217;s what i&#8217;m hearing from ex-jw&#8217;s. Good luck prodical people hope you find your way back in time.</p>
<p>As for me I&#8217;m now going all the way to become a publisher and getting baptised as a J.W.. I love every bit of the fellowship and pray to Jehovah daily that he finds me favorable to him.<br />
askduane.</p>
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		<title>By: askduane</title>
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		<dc:creator>askduane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings
There is this house with many windows and hedges lined all around. I'm in the bushes peering through various windows of the house from the outside to see which room to enter when i'm ready to go in.
Each room that has a window to look in is a religion or belief of some kind, one of the windows are to the room that's called Jehovah's Witnesses, that's the one i'm now looking in.

Previously I've looked into many other windows even entered the rooms and dwelled there a while. I'm 53 now and have been into about 20 different rooms of this house. One window i've looked in but didn't go in it was called the "college room" I would have had to stay there at least 4 years and study 4 courses opposite what my major would have been in order to just study my major subject that I went there for and paid for, they said it was a requirment of the college.

I weighed the difference first. After graduation what would be the average monthly/yearly income compared to specializing in one thing now from a trade school or community college that's 6 months to 2 years study after high school. I decided to pass on the college because the jobs and skill I learned just working everyday earned me the same in income over the years. I've met thousands that have major degrees unemployed now or made less money than I over the years.

Worldly pursits lead to knowwhere like the bible says. What profit is it to gain the whole world and loose your soul in the process.

Before choosing the JW window and room,I was in the world and lived the life of a fornicator, adulterer, idolary, coveteous, lieing, gluteny, drugs/alcohol, loose dating, holiday worshipping all the sins of the flesh that I now find Jehovah hates. I've been there first.

The stories i'm reading from every ex-jw encourges me even more that i'm doing the right thing becoming a JW full time.

Thank You ex-jw's for showing me how important it is to put Jehovah first and not myself and the I, I, concept.

Askduane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings<br />
There is this house with many windows and hedges lined all around. I&#8217;m in the bushes peering through various windows of the house from the outside to see which room to enter when i&#8217;m ready to go in.<br />
Each room that has a window to look in is a religion or belief of some kind, one of the windows are to the room that&#8217;s called Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses, that&#8217;s the one i&#8217;m now looking in.</p>
<p>Previously I&#8217;ve looked into many other windows even entered the rooms and dwelled there a while. I&#8217;m 53 now and have been into about 20 different rooms of this house. One window i&#8217;ve looked in but didn&#8217;t go in it was called the &#8220;college room&#8221; I would have had to stay there at least 4 years and study 4 courses opposite what my major would have been in order to just study my major subject that I went there for and paid for, they said it was a requirment of the college.</p>
<p>I weighed the difference first. After graduation what would be the average monthly/yearly income compared to specializing in one thing now from a trade school or community college that&#8217;s 6 months to 2 years study after high school. I decided to pass on the college because the jobs and skill I learned just working everyday earned me the same in income over the years. I&#8217;ve met thousands that have major degrees unemployed now or made less money than I over the years.</p>
<p>Worldly pursits lead to knowwhere like the bible says. What profit is it to gain the whole world and loose your soul in the process.</p>
<p>Before choosing the JW window and room,I was in the world and lived the life of a fornicator, adulterer, idolary, coveteous, lieing, gluteny, drugs/alcohol, loose dating, holiday worshipping all the sins of the flesh that I now find Jehovah hates. I&#8217;ve been there first.</p>
<p>The stories i&#8217;m reading from every ex-jw encourges me even more that i&#8217;m doing the right thing becoming a JW full time.</p>
<p>Thank You ex-jw&#8217;s for showing me how important it is to put Jehovah first and not myself and the I, I, concept.</p>
<p>Askduane</p>
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