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		<title>By: Elijah Returns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elijah Returns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 7 years out of this religion, it still affects me, and the treatment I had received. True religion? You gotta be kidding me. I am tired writing about them, and it has ruined every facet of my life. I have decided to pull the last plug and divorce my jw nutcase wife. I have no idea when this pain will end for me, but hope others will read here, read too what I have written and make the smart decision and give the Watchtower and JW's a body swerve.

Divorcing My Jehovah's Witness Headcase Wife

Sherriff Clerk
Divorce Proceedings
Inverness Sherriff Court
Inverness
Scotland UK

Paul Macdonald vs. Debbie Anne MacDonald (Towers)
Dear Sir,
                I write to you concerning Debbie Anne MacDonald (Towers, or Pickett), residing at:
Dounie Learn Cottage,
Dounie Estate,
Ardgay IV243BW,
Sutherland,
Scotland, UK

My Lord Sherriff, I write into request that you dissolve the marriage between myself and the above  mentioned person.
Grounds:

Unreasonable Behavior,
Irreconcilable Breakdown,
Adultery,

Firstly, I am a British Citizen, but not currently resident in the UK, and have no means to employ a legal representative.

With special regards to my wife, and myself we have not lived as a proper married couple for nearly 7 years, nor had contact with each other for the past 7 years.

This was due to the cult mind control technique of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and by means of this group becoming involved in the marriage. This has lead to the schism, which has lasted this all this time, a schism created by this religious cult.

The last contact I had with my wife was from the offices of the British Embassy in Beijing, that was in January 2010. My former wife had said that the cult had demanded that she have no further contact with me whatsoever. No grounds, no explanation, no reason, nor indeed any basis for “forbidding” this contact was given.

The British Foreign Office had also written to my wife in January 2010 expressing these concerns, but like all other, and any other mail which comes from myself, or mail which has any connection to myself must be given to my former wife’s cult leaders. One of these leaders being Officer 800 Pickett (Former Northern Constabulary) whom my wife was/is intimately involved with. 

This is one reason alone why the marriage cannot be allowed to continue on this very basis alone that adultery has been committed, an act which was openly encouraged by members of this religious sect.

It is 7 years now, and the marriage must be considered/rendered as dissolved, and I see no basis or reason for a continuation.

(A)   I had also received over 300 emails from members of this cult/sect concerning sexual matters relating to my wife and family.

(B)    Emails detailing how this sect now had control over the family member’s lives.

(C)    How members of this cult murdered my Mother, and how this was eventually going to be extended to me.

(D)   That they were prepared to detonate explosive devices on civilian aircraft so as to demonstrate the power of their “god”.

(E)     George Pickett and Claus Uecker both of Jehovah’s Witnesses had sexual relations with each other while standing outside the family home and watching my wife and family undress. Pickett and Uecker had both reiterated this later in emails which they had sent me.

My Lord Sherriff, I see no reason for any continuation in this relationship, and see no way it can be resolved. This sect is a very dangerous one, dangerous to family and other members of the community. 
It is a highly dangerous sect I wish to be no part of, and will never be part of.  So, I see no point in continuing, even on this one point also.

My mother had been subjected to elder abuse for a period of over 2 years, in that my wife, members of this group, and my wife’s legal agent (Fiona Campbell of MacLeod and MacCallum).

This abuse took the form of persistent telephone calling (up to over 20 times per day). These calls continued until my mother died in February 2007. Thereafter, I began to receive email abuse from this group bragging that they had caused this death. Fiona Campbell, along with members of this sect had made continuous calls to my mother screaming for, “repentance money”, which amounted to at least 6000 pounds. The senders of these mails, Campbell and Co, said that they were sent as part of a “religious revenge” campaign.

My legal representative at that point, George Mathers in Aberdeen, had written and called this firm on many occasions protesting that the contact this group were making should cease immediately, but Campbell and the members of her religious group would not take no for an answer. This resulted in my mother dying in early February, 2007.

My Lord, these are reasons alone, are reasons to be sure that would warrant an immediate formal divorce from the person mentioned. The reasons alone are ones which would warrant investigation, and these matters have been passed onto Federal Agencies due to the content of abuse which I have received since the time which all this began. The complaint also involves officers of your local Police Force who are members of this sect involved in these matters, even ones relating to sexual crimes against children.
I consider this matter finished, and the marriage dissolved, and seek your attention for this marriage to be dissolved legally.

It has now been a period of 7 Years, and there is just no point anymore in continuing. There is also a matter of the property belonging to myself which is in possession of Fiona Campbell, and the 6000 pounds taken illegally from my late mother by Campbell and this religious group.

I seek  My Lord Sherriff’s immediate intervention in this matter, so as to bring this matter to a rapid conclusion, as it is a situation that cannot continue and must conclude at some point.

I beg this of you now so that my former wife can go with way her religious sect and do with them what she must do with them, but without me.

Yours Sincerely,
Paul Watt MacDonald
21st October, 2010</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 7 years out of this religion, it still affects me, and the treatment I had received. True religion? You gotta be kidding me. I am tired writing about them, and it has ruined every facet of my life. I have decided to pull the last plug and divorce my jw nutcase wife. I have no idea when this pain will end for me, but hope others will read here, read too what I have written and make the smart decision and give the Watchtower and JW&#8217;s a body swerve.</p>
<p>Divorcing My Jehovah&#8217;s Witness Headcase Wife</p>
<p>Sherriff Clerk<br />
Divorce Proceedings<br />
Inverness Sherriff Court<br />
Inverness<br />
Scotland UK</p>
<p>Paul Macdonald vs. Debbie Anne MacDonald (Towers)<br />
Dear Sir,<br />
                I write to you concerning Debbie Anne MacDonald (Towers, or Pickett), residing at:<br />
Dounie Learn Cottage,<br />
Dounie Estate,<br />
Ardgay IV243BW,<br />
Sutherland,<br />
Scotland, UK</p>
<p>My Lord Sherriff, I write into request that you dissolve the marriage between myself and the above  mentioned person.<br />
Grounds:</p>
<p>Unreasonable Behavior,<br />
Irreconcilable Breakdown,<br />
Adultery,</p>
<p>Firstly, I am a British Citizen, but not currently resident in the UK, and have no means to employ a legal representative.</p>
<p>With special regards to my wife, and myself we have not lived as a proper married couple for nearly 7 years, nor had contact with each other for the past 7 years.</p>
<p>This was due to the cult mind control technique of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and by means of this group becoming involved in the marriage. This has lead to the schism, which has lasted this all this time, a schism created by this religious cult.</p>
<p>The last contact I had with my wife was from the offices of the British Embassy in Beijing, that was in January 2010. My former wife had said that the cult had demanded that she have no further contact with me whatsoever. No grounds, no explanation, no reason, nor indeed any basis for “forbidding” this contact was given.</p>
<p>The British Foreign Office had also written to my wife in January 2010 expressing these concerns, but like all other, and any other mail which comes from myself, or mail which has any connection to myself must be given to my former wife’s cult leaders. One of these leaders being Officer 800 Pickett (Former Northern Constabulary) whom my wife was/is intimately involved with. </p>
<p>This is one reason alone why the marriage cannot be allowed to continue on this very basis alone that adultery has been committed, an act which was openly encouraged by members of this religious sect.</p>
<p>It is 7 years now, and the marriage must be considered/rendered as dissolved, and I see no basis or reason for a continuation.</p>
<p>(A)   I had also received over 300 emails from members of this cult/sect concerning sexual matters relating to my wife and family.</p>
<p>(B)    Emails detailing how this sect now had control over the family member’s lives.</p>
<p>(C)    How members of this cult murdered my Mother, and how this was eventually going to be extended to me.</p>
<p>(D)   That they were prepared to detonate explosive devices on civilian aircraft so as to demonstrate the power of their “god”.</p>
<p>(E)     George Pickett and Claus Uecker both of Jehovah’s Witnesses had sexual relations with each other while standing outside the family home and watching my wife and family undress. Pickett and Uecker had both reiterated this later in emails which they had sent me.</p>
<p>My Lord Sherriff, I see no reason for any continuation in this relationship, and see no way it can be resolved. This sect is a very dangerous one, dangerous to family and other members of the community.<br />
It is a highly dangerous sect I wish to be no part of, and will never be part of.  So, I see no point in continuing, even on this one point also.</p>
<p>My mother had been subjected to elder abuse for a period of over 2 years, in that my wife, members of this group, and my wife’s legal agent (Fiona Campbell of MacLeod and MacCallum).</p>
<p>This abuse took the form of persistent telephone calling (up to over 20 times per day). These calls continued until my mother died in February 2007. Thereafter, I began to receive email abuse from this group bragging that they had caused this death. Fiona Campbell, along with members of this sect had made continuous calls to my mother screaming for, “repentance money”, which amounted to at least 6000 pounds. The senders of these mails, Campbell and Co, said that they were sent as part of a “religious revenge” campaign.</p>
<p>My legal representative at that point, George Mathers in Aberdeen, had written and called this firm on many occasions protesting that the contact this group were making should cease immediately, but Campbell and the members of her religious group would not take no for an answer. This resulted in my mother dying in early February, 2007.</p>
<p>My Lord, these are reasons alone, are reasons to be sure that would warrant an immediate formal divorce from the person mentioned. The reasons alone are ones which would warrant investigation, and these matters have been passed onto Federal Agencies due to the content of abuse which I have received since the time which all this began. The complaint also involves officers of your local Police Force who are members of this sect involved in these matters, even ones relating to sexual crimes against children.<br />
I consider this matter finished, and the marriage dissolved, and seek your attention for this marriage to be dissolved legally.</p>
<p>It has now been a period of 7 Years, and there is just no point anymore in continuing. There is also a matter of the property belonging to myself which is in possession of Fiona Campbell, and the 6000 pounds taken illegally from my late mother by Campbell and this religious group.</p>
<p>I seek  My Lord Sherriff’s immediate intervention in this matter, so as to bring this matter to a rapid conclusion, as it is a situation that cannot continue and must conclude at some point.</p>
<p>I beg this of you now so that my former wife can go with way her religious sect and do with them what she must do with them, but without me.</p>
<p>Yours Sincerely,<br />
Paul Watt MacDonald<br />
21st October, 2010</p>
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		<title>By: Vilabong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vilabong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 05:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>move/rename 2) delete 3) move to chest 4) repair what action should i take to remove that virus  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>move/rename 2) delete 3) move to chest 4) repair what action should i take to remove that virus  </p>
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		<title>By: TalkTalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>TalkTalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How exciting. I think of it basically like this: 

'God', the 'Universe' 'evolution', read whatever deity you personally subscribe to, equipped us with free will and the ability to evaluate data to form opinions and make decisions. Therefore, keep it real simple and say that no human being should be allowed to interfere with other's free will (or basic human right to exist as they wish and make decisions).

The collective human race has a responsibility to improve the environments and societies in which they live to make it better for their immediate situation and for future generations. 

Your personal goal should be to leave the world a better place than you found it. Remember this when you wake up tomorrow morning.

And don't even ask me about pre-determinism :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How exciting. I think of it basically like this: </p>
<p>&#8216;God&#8217;, the &#8216;Universe&#8217; &#8216;evolution&#8217;, read whatever deity you personally subscribe to, equipped us with free will and the ability to evaluate data to form opinions and make decisions. Therefore, keep it real simple and say that no human being should be allowed to interfere with other&#8217;s free will (or basic human right to exist as they wish and make decisions).</p>
<p>The collective human race has a responsibility to improve the environments and societies in which they live to make it better for their immediate situation and for future generations. </p>
<p>Your personal goal should be to leave the world a better place than you found it. Remember this when you wake up tomorrow morning.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t even ask me about pre-determinism <img src='http://www.exjehovahswitness.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SayBlade</title>
		<link>http://www.exjehovahswitness.net/2008/07/an-assult-on-human-rights/comment-page-1#comment-1003</link>
		<dc:creator>SayBlade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a selective view of religion at best.  It is true that atrocities have been committed by Christians, Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Atheists, Mormons, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and more.  It is also true that religion -- (I will speak for Christianity here. Others may have more to offer) -- has also been on the vanguard of fighting for human rights and freedom of speech for everyone.  

Witness the movements within mainline denominations for complete acceptance of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered into full participation in church life.  These movements have also made herculean efforts to give all marginalised folk full inclusion in society.  

Witness the same movements working towards ending war, ending poverty, taking good care of the ecological environment and ensuring food security and adequate housing.

The impetus towards building community comes from somewhere.  Religion tends to gather people together.  I honestly do not understand from where or what Atheists, Freethinkers and Humanists form a basis for their values.  I am not one of them.  But, I can offer my open mind to listen to what they have to contribute to the common good, the flow of life and peaceful co-existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a selective view of religion at best.  It is true that atrocities have been committed by Christians, Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Atheists, Mormons, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and more.  It is also true that religion &#8212; (I will speak for Christianity here. Others may have more to offer) &#8212; has also been on the vanguard of fighting for human rights and freedom of speech for everyone.  </p>
<p>Witness the movements within mainline denominations for complete acceptance of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered into full participation in church life.  These movements have also made herculean efforts to give all marginalised folk full inclusion in society.  </p>
<p>Witness the same movements working towards ending war, ending poverty, taking good care of the ecological environment and ensuring food security and adequate housing.</p>
<p>The impetus towards building community comes from somewhere.  Religion tends to gather people together.  I honestly do not understand from where or what Atheists, Freethinkers and Humanists form a basis for their values.  I am not one of them.  But, I can offer my open mind to listen to what they have to contribute to the common good, the flow of life and peaceful co-existence.</p>
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		<title>By: Memnoch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Memnoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn,

You are absolutely entitled to your opinions about what you call "lifestyle". If you don't like eg.: homosexuality, for whatever reason, maybe it grosses you out or because it goes against what you were taught, that's your right that no one here would try to take from you. But they are not damaging anyone's life.

When Moxie speaks of human rights, she is not speaking of pushing her beliefs upon people as to what should be morally acceptable, the point is the way these people are TREATED. Bigotry itself is not what is dangerous, it is the ACTS COMMITTED by the bigots, against whoever their hate is directed towards, that defines them as wrong.

Gays are highly unlikely to lynch your house for your opinions, bash you for intolerance or try to tell you who you can share a legal union with. But a paedophile is directly damaging the life of a child, religious extremists stoning people to death over ridiculous ancient rules are directly damaging their victims.

Human rights are not about opinions but about the way people are treated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn,</p>
<p>You are absolutely entitled to your opinions about what you call &#8220;lifestyle&#8221;. If you don&#8217;t like eg.: homosexuality, for whatever reason, maybe it grosses you out or because it goes against what you were taught, that&#8217;s your right that no one here would try to take from you. But they are not damaging anyone&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>When Moxie speaks of human rights, she is not speaking of pushing her beliefs upon people as to what should be morally acceptable, the point is the way these people are TREATED. Bigotry itself is not what is dangerous, it is the ACTS COMMITTED by the bigots, against whoever their hate is directed towards, that defines them as wrong.</p>
<p>Gays are highly unlikely to lynch your house for your opinions, bash you for intolerance or try to tell you who you can share a legal union with. But a paedophile is directly damaging the life of a child, religious extremists stoning people to death over ridiculous ancient rules are directly damaging their victims.</p>
<p>Human rights are not about opinions but about the way people are treated.</p>
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		<title>By: powermonger</title>
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		<dc:creator>powermonger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ElGeneral

I wonder if you know at least a little about biochemistry? Because the expression "chemical imbalance" sounds WTBT at my ears. I say that because when people don't understand a weebit about biochemistry and therefore cannot explain it say "chemical imbalance". It's like explaining that diseases and death is caused by "sin". Sounds stupid? Yes it is.

Bravo Moxie for your article. I PERFECTLY agree with you. Only difference with you: I'm a future scientist (finishing my studies in bilogy) and yes, atheist.

For those that don't agree with Moxie, I strongly recommend 

Richard Dawkins' book: God Delusion.

Its time for humanity for pass though childhood to adulthood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ElGeneral</p>
<p>I wonder if you know at least a little about biochemistry? Because the expression &#8220;chemical imbalance&#8221; sounds WTBT at my ears. I say that because when people don&#8217;t understand a weebit about biochemistry and therefore cannot explain it say &#8220;chemical imbalance&#8221;. It&#8217;s like explaining that diseases and death is caused by &#8220;sin&#8221;. Sounds stupid? Yes it is.</p>
<p>Bravo Moxie for your article. I PERFECTLY agree with you. Only difference with you: I&#8217;m a future scientist (finishing my studies in bilogy) and yes, atheist.</p>
<p>For those that don&#8217;t agree with Moxie, I strongly recommend </p>
<p>Richard Dawkins&#8217; book: God Delusion.</p>
<p>Its time for humanity for pass though childhood to adulthood.</p>
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		<title>By: Moxie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moxie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ElGeneral

I'm actually embarrassed for you concerning your comment (above). Your blatant ignorance and bigotry couldn't be more offensive. I suggest you do some research specifically with reference to your opening sentence before you make such completely incorrect statements.

You're welcome to express your own opinion but your comment about homosexuality is absolutely incorrect. This kind of ignorant view will not go unchecked here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ElGeneral</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually embarrassed for you concerning your comment (above). Your blatant ignorance and bigotry couldn&#8217;t be more offensive. I suggest you do some research specifically with reference to your opening sentence before you make such completely incorrect statements.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome to express your own opinion but your comment about homosexuality is absolutely incorrect. This kind of ignorant view will not go unchecked here.</p>
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		<title>By: ElGeneral</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElGeneral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homosexuality is a chemical imbalance in the brain, it may be curable sometime soon, but if people would rather not be gay, why do so many scream "discrimination?"

Marriage was meant to be done only once between a man and a women because it makes sense.  Once would force the person to choose wisely-no divorce, between a man and a women so they could reproduce, role models, and security.  The entire concept makes sense but if you want to destroy that go ahead, history is surely not an indicator of what has been right or wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homosexuality is a chemical imbalance in the brain, it may be curable sometime soon, but if people would rather not be gay, why do so many scream &#8220;discrimination?&#8221;</p>
<p>Marriage was meant to be done only once between a man and a women because it makes sense.  Once would force the person to choose wisely-no divorce, between a man and a women so they could reproduce, role models, and security.  The entire concept makes sense but if you want to destroy that go ahead, history is surely not an indicator of what has been right or wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@marianne

So you are saying that by being an Atheist it implies that a person will take the place of God and run things selfishly?  I take personal offense to that.  I've been an Atheist since attending a Catholic high school, and I have to say I'm in no way a selfish person who runs around doing what I please just because there are no other-worldly repercussions.  In fact I have a high tendency to put the needs of my friends/family/coworkers above my own and hold myself to strong ethical standards.  And from the other Atheists I've met, they are typically the same way.

On the flip-side, are you saying that religious people are not selfish or corrupt?  What about evangelists who abuse their followers for money, or the Vatican and it's hordes of gold and precious items and information.  I have no facts to back it up, but I've heard that the Vatican has enough money laying around to end world hunger several times over.  Plus, the pope, a MAN, is essentially the direct link to god for the catholic church, supposedly infallible.  Putting a single MAN in such a position can breed only selfishness and corruption, and if you look at some of the things the current pope has said, well, it does all the talking for itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@marianne</p>
<p>So you are saying that by being an Atheist it implies that a person will take the place of God and run things selfishly?  I take personal offense to that.  I&#8217;ve been an Atheist since attending a Catholic high school, and I have to say I&#8217;m in no way a selfish person who runs around doing what I please just because there are no other-worldly repercussions.  In fact I have a high tendency to put the needs of my friends/family/coworkers above my own and hold myself to strong ethical standards.  And from the other Atheists I&#8217;ve met, they are typically the same way.</p>
<p>On the flip-side, are you saying that religious people are not selfish or corrupt?  What about evangelists who abuse their followers for money, or the Vatican and it&#8217;s hordes of gold and precious items and information.  I have no facts to back it up, but I&#8217;ve heard that the Vatican has enough money laying around to end world hunger several times over.  Plus, the pope, a MAN, is essentially the direct link to god for the catholic church, supposedly infallible.  Putting a single MAN in such a position can breed only selfishness and corruption, and if you look at some of the things the current pope has said, well, it does all the talking for itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 06:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shawn,

Let me say immediately that homosexuality is NOT A CHOICE AND NOT A LIFESTYLE. If you had broadened your horizons at all and tried to talk to a gay person without pigeon-holing them, you would know that the majority of them would never have chosen to be gay if they could because of how much harder their life is because of people like you. No intelligent and rational person still believes that it is a choice. Who would choose it?

On to your next point: you CAN NOT COMPARE HOMOSEXUALITY TO PEDOPHILIA OR PROSTITUTION.  Homosexuality is two CONSENTING adults, pedophilia is an older person having sexual relations with a child who is too young to understand what is going on and be able to make a decision as to whether or not they want to have sex with an older person. Can you not see how inherently different they are? We will never regress to Rome's standards because we have intellectually matured after thousands of years, and can understand that what two consenting adults do together is up to them but what an adult and a young child do together is inherently wrong on a humanity level.

Same argument with prostitution. We can not compare a woman often forced to sell her body against her will to two people that care about each other.

Your points on gay marriage are weak and blind. Just because marriage used to be about a woman a man and god does NOT mean that is the way that it is now. There are many things we used to do that we do not anymore, because we have seen that they are wrong and degrading and unfair. Gay people will NEVER have the same rights as you and I until they can get married. They DO NOT have the same rights as all of us. Without getting married, they are barred from an obscene amount of rights and basic securities that come with an official marriage bond. You do not have the right to deny someone a GOVERNMENTAL procedure because of religious beliefs that people may OR MAY NOT share. No one bars atheists from getting married because they don't include "god" in their ceremonies, because weddings don't HAVE to involve the church! It is fair enough if you don't want to have gay weddings in YOUR church, because your religion says that gay people shouldn't get married. But you CANNOT say the same about a legal proceeding that has no ties to the church! It is not a matter of whether or not "you approve of their lifestyle" or not, because your approval DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL. If you came over to my house and said I don't like you, I don't like the way you live, and my god says I should hate you and you shouldn't get married, can't you see that that is not up to you? I have a right to get married because I am a human being that pays taxes and lives in this country. You can't pass judgement on whether or not I am worthy enough to get married because your opinion of what my life is like doesn't matter in the slightest. It's MY LIFE that you have NOTHING to do with and I will do whatever the hell I want to! You wouldn't like gay people controlling your life and your right to happiness because they have nothing to do with you and don't know you at all and don't have the right to tell you what you can and can't do!

Gay marriage is NOT A CRIME because no one is being killed, no one is being raped, no one is being subjected to torture or to do something against their will or being threatened or stolen from or ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CONSIDER A CRIME. We CAN make these statements and we CAN define crimes, because when two people love each other so much that they want to be together forever, they shouldn't be discriminated against because of who they love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shawn,</p>
<p>Let me say immediately that homosexuality is NOT A CHOICE AND NOT A LIFESTYLE. If you had broadened your horizons at all and tried to talk to a gay person without pigeon-holing them, you would know that the majority of them would never have chosen to be gay if they could because of how much harder their life is because of people like you. No intelligent and rational person still believes that it is a choice. Who would choose it?</p>
<p>On to your next point: you CAN NOT COMPARE HOMOSEXUALITY TO PEDOPHILIA OR PROSTITUTION.  Homosexuality is two CONSENTING adults, pedophilia is an older person having sexual relations with a child who is too young to understand what is going on and be able to make a decision as to whether or not they want to have sex with an older person. Can you not see how inherently different they are? We will never regress to Rome&#8217;s standards because we have intellectually matured after thousands of years, and can understand that what two consenting adults do together is up to them but what an adult and a young child do together is inherently wrong on a humanity level.</p>
<p>Same argument with prostitution. We can not compare a woman often forced to sell her body against her will to two people that care about each other.</p>
<p>Your points on gay marriage are weak and blind. Just because marriage used to be about a woman a man and god does NOT mean that is the way that it is now. There are many things we used to do that we do not anymore, because we have seen that they are wrong and degrading and unfair. Gay people will NEVER have the same rights as you and I until they can get married. They DO NOT have the same rights as all of us. Without getting married, they are barred from an obscene amount of rights and basic securities that come with an official marriage bond. You do not have the right to deny someone a GOVERNMENTAL procedure because of religious beliefs that people may OR MAY NOT share. No one bars atheists from getting married because they don&#8217;t include &#8220;god&#8221; in their ceremonies, because weddings don&#8217;t HAVE to involve the church! It is fair enough if you don&#8217;t want to have gay weddings in YOUR church, because your religion says that gay people shouldn&#8217;t get married. But you CANNOT say the same about a legal proceeding that has no ties to the church! It is not a matter of whether or not &#8220;you approve of their lifestyle&#8221; or not, because your approval DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL. If you came over to my house and said I don&#8217;t like you, I don&#8217;t like the way you live, and my god says I should hate you and you shouldn&#8217;t get married, can&#8217;t you see that that is not up to you? I have a right to get married because I am a human being that pays taxes and lives in this country. You can&#8217;t pass judgement on whether or not I am worthy enough to get married because your opinion of what my life is like doesn&#8217;t matter in the slightest. It&#8217;s MY LIFE that you have NOTHING to do with and I will do whatever the hell I want to! You wouldn&#8217;t like gay people controlling your life and your right to happiness because they have nothing to do with you and don&#8217;t know you at all and don&#8217;t have the right to tell you what you can and can&#8217;t do!</p>
<p>Gay marriage is NOT A CRIME because no one is being killed, no one is being raped, no one is being subjected to torture or to do something against their will or being threatened or stolen from or ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CONSIDER A CRIME. We CAN make these statements and we CAN define crimes, because when two people love each other so much that they want to be together forever, they shouldn&#8217;t be discriminated against because of who they love.</p>
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